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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (43366)	10/5/2000 11:57:20 PM
From: ColtonGang	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Do you have a say in where your tax dollars are spent........absolutely not. Don't kid yourself........tax dollars when they leave your checkbook becomes the property of the federal , state , and local govts to use as they see fit.......It's the price we pay for living in this free country. Is it worth it...........I think so. Taxes in Canada, Britain and Sweden are crippling by comparison .

To: greenspirit who wrote (43366)	10/6/2000 12:20:35 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Very good point, Michael. Now, for an assessment of the Veep debate, to the extent I could stay awake. Lieberman is very whiny. Although I know that some people have unfortunate voices, I can hardly believe he has made no effort to compensate for the problem, having been in public life for sometime. It is rather like refusing to correct bad grammar or grunting while you are eating. Cheney is a bit too low key, and it took him awhile to raise his voice adequately, but he is clear, concise, to the point,and exudes an aura of strength and competence that contrasts sharply with Lieberman, whom one can see as an introverted mama's boy who gets good grades by grinding his way through school. Eventually, Lieberman hit a sufficient stride to make it credible he was in the Senate, but just barely. When they argued, Cheney came off as knowing what he was talking about better than Lieberman. On the other hand, it had the air of a press briefing, and did not inspire. He is the sort of person one reposes confidence in, but who does not generate enthusiasm. He is the perfect chief of staff, not really a leader. Still, one would have more confidence if Cheney ascended to the presidency than if Lieberman did. Don't get me wrong, Lieberman could pinch hit if necessary, but the mismatch would be too glaring. The President is our chief diplomat, for example, and Lieberman is more the fellow who holds the briefing book. He is the Commander- in- Chief, not the assistant principal of a middle school, which is what Lieberman seems. Anyway, Cheney pretty clearly won, but I am not sure it makes much difference----- yet.......

To: greenspirit who wrote (43366)	10/6/2000 12:22:07 AM
From: Frank Griffin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

A very good point. A person can die the day before they qualify for social security and there are no benefits unless the widow is the right age. There is no estate for your family. With the 2% that can be invested in the private sector it will grow, once a good base is built, nearly exponentially. They say the compounding of interest in an additional wonder of the world. I can give you a personal example. I don't mean to be immodest but this is my true story. When IRA's came in somewhere in the mid 70's I started putting the 2000. per year into it. When the law was changed in 1986 to where if you make "x" amount of money you couldn't put the money in before taxes I stopped excepting for one additional year. So, I put around 22000. into it. It is now worth over 200000.. It has been in the market all this time and, admittedly, in a very aggressive growth stock style investment. I also have a 401K and we are restricted to qualified mutual funds. That would be the more conservative and appropriate method of investment of the 2%. We, if we could live to see it, would have some very wealthy young people when they reach 65 or whatever the age might be. And, they would have an estate no matter when they die because the money is theirs, not the governments. A very big difference. Vote for Bush.