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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1553)	10/8/2000 11:59:27 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

I'm not afraid of telling them to "get off their lazy @sses and get out there and work for a living like the rest of us". Did you know that many of these people used to be in mental institutions and were too nuts to participate in society? My mother was a psychiatric nurse for the State of California and this was related to me first hand. The problem was that while these institutionalized people were "freed" from their "prison" of the mental hospital in the 70's, they were sent on their merry way with no infrastructure, no group home and basically told to sink or swim. The only way they could get back in was if someone deemed them a risk to others. That generally didn't happen until they hurt someone which is actually very rare. Again, you assume that because you aren't hearing voices and living in a highly confused mental state, that no one else is. Do you really think that homelessness is a career choice that someone makes? Tell me it ain't so!! I've been as poor as anyone and you have to be totally lacking any kind of resources to end up in that state. Living out of a car is better than living in a box. Ron, you seem to recognize many of these problems exist. That's a good thing. You're not blind. But I'm really puzzled about the unwillingness to accept that things aren't as you want, but you don't seem to want to be bothered to solve them. THAT is strange to me. You see crime, but you don't want to solve the cause. You see dirty vagrants on the street but your response is for them to go seek work. In this full employment economy do you really think that they have the ability to work? No, they'd rather live in that cardboard box and ask nice people like you for money.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1553)	10/8/2000 12:30:40 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Someone that is willing to kill or grievously injure another human simply because they caught them doing something criminal deserves to be put away for life, if not drawn and quartered in public. Well the lovely Shangri-La you describe is called Saudi Arabia. They round up Americans and force to go to "Chop-chop Square" to see the consequences of breaking the law. A nurse who worked in Saudia Arabia related this story. You can actually see beheading and limb amputation on Saturdays. Ron, again, you recognize the problem. Crime. But you are still fixated on the symptoms and supplying solutions AFTER the problem manifests. Without prevention, you will get more. That is what I was talking about with the weeds in an earlier post. Weeds are best handled with prevention. You have feral humans. That's a good analogy. But having an open season on feral humans doesn't promote the values that you probably want. Capturing and preventing conception in that population probably does. Is it "Big Brother"? Well yeah, but who else do you want doing it? Death squads of right wing vigilantes like the war being waged against street children in Brazil? By the time a kid is 10-12 years old, if you haven't intervened, that kid is probably lost to the "Dark Side". The enterprise zones ARE a good idea, BTW.