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To: Neocon who wrote (44114)	10/9/2000 12:07:05 AM
From: phyxter	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769667

Computers: nonsense. The computational capabilities they got from the US could just have easily been obtained abroad. It had negligible or no impact on China's high-tech military development. The only impact was on US computer manufacturers who were restricted while their foreign competitors were not. <<Doing trade with China ... >> was a bipartisan affair. QED. <<You are simply ruling out the possibility of the Democrats knowing the source of the money because you think that the chance of a quid pro quo is obscene.>> No, I rule it out simply because there is no evidence that they knew anything about the source of funds. Like the GOP (who have a more efficient apparatus, granted), they didn't have time to care. The giant leap of smear to alleging a quid pro quo is separate, and is characteristic GOP overreaching slur. And disgusting. Not even those who launch that one believe it. You should know better. Heck, you do know better ... <<Misguided ... >> and headed for much deeper waters.

To: Neocon who wrote (44114)	10/9/2000 4:46:51 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

The fastest computers in the world (Big Red, Big Blue) are massively parallel computers with thousands of microprocessors and belong to the Department of Energy (as at Sandia NL). These chips can be bought off the shelf at any computer store for a few hundred dollars each. The circuitry is available to anyone who wants to look. It is a nuisance to have to reconstruct the things from scratch, but many dirt cheap supercomputers have been constructed from bits and pieces at American universities. The Chinese have many people well-trained in computer engineering at our best graduate schools. Only two of the known fastest 500 supercomputers are in China, one at Motorola and one at the Meteorological (Weather) Bureau. If we hadn't sold 'em, Japan would have. Even we buy supercomputers from Japan.