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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (1745)	10/9/2000 11:53:20 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

He is a young adult, imo. Does that REALLY make a difference to you? We should be worried about children's deaths but not young adults? I really don't need to break it down into child/young adult/adult to be concerned about firearm morbidity. One important reason for the distinction is that the argument is often framed in terms of "we need to get rid of guns to protect the children", and then statistics are waved around that include 20 year olds or even 24 year olds who are not children. Even gun deaths among those who technically are children don't usually fit the image the gun-ban supporters are trying to invoke. They say "children" and people think about some 5 year old boy playing with a gun he found and killing himself, or a 12 year old girl killed at school. Most "children" that are killed by guns are more likely to be 17 year old drug dealers killed by a rival trying to take over their turf. Similarly the argument is raised that most people are killed by people they know. This is an attempt to impress on people the idea that their friends or relatives, or acquaintances having guns is dangerous to you while in reality most murders are committed by people who have committed serious crimes before. Criminals have acquaintances too. Tim

To: epicure who wrote (1745)	10/9/2000 12:06:02 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Here's a URL to show firearm deaths as related to auto accidents: 1- 1- You are comparing all firearms deaths with auto accidents. It might be more accurate to compare gun accidents with auto accidents. Someone killing someone in self defense is not comparable it may indicate a life saved by a gun (yes the criminal would have been killed by the gun but he brought in on himself). Gun murders, might have been committed with another weapon if a gun wasn't available, and might not be lower if guns were less available. If someone is willing to commit a murder he will probably not be deterred too much by the possibility that in addition to facing a long prison sentence (or execution) for the murder, he might also face another year or three locked up for violating gun laws. Criminals often are deterred by either someone with a gun, or the thought that someone might have a gun. 2- Your info does show that cars kill more people then guns, even though there are more guns that cars in the US. Should we ban cars then? Tim