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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (1963)	10/10/2000 11:13:53 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

a pool is not a weapon Oh? I'm not so sure about that. Back in my university days, some buddies and I moved into a pad with a 20,000 gallon pool and jacuzzi... (we rented the place for $850/month.. :0) But when we first saw this pool, one of my friends made the quip that it looked as if the Government had been using it for culturing biological weaponry... <VBG> Took us 3 weeks or hand scraping/scrubbing and 3 "shockings" of muriatic acid to kill all the slime that had been permitted to grow over the previous winter... That pool WAS a weapon... I could have thrown someone in it and they would have been lost forever... LOL!! And btw, yes.. I want background checks (instantaneous ones) for weapons buyers. I do not believe mentally ill people should own them. I do not want children to play with them. I do not want them allowed at school. And I do not want a law-abiding, mentally competent, person's right to bear the means of protecting themselves revoked, restricted, or infringe upon. And that means that hand guns, rifles, shotguns, or even semi-automatic military weapons are fine with me. I would rather our society endure that potential risk associated with having firearms in the hands of citizens, than the alternative where the only security is provided by the government. In either scenario, criminals will have little problem obtaining firearms for themselves.... Regards, Ron

To: epicure who wrote (1963)	10/10/2000 11:14:23 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Nope. I disagree. People who own pools and people who use pools make a choice to expose themselves to the risk. They do this for themselves and for their children. With a gun ban or extreme regulation you would still be exposed to the risk of guns because criminals would not obey the ban, and then the criminals would know that you are very unlikely to have a gun. You want everyone to assume the risk for the people who own guns. You want people to own weapons- do you want the backgrounds checked? Do you think the mentally ill should own handguns? Should children play with them in the street? Should they be allowed at school? If not why not- since they are "safer than pools" which most schools have. Background checks have some potential beneifits but they are also subject to abuse. Actual current abuse includes people who are entitled to recieve guns (or concealed carry permits for guns) being rejected because the person or group controling the permisson in some areas is anti-gun. Look at NYC for example. Guns are technically legal but it is almost impossible to get them (unless you are a criminal). Theoretical abuse that could potentially happen includes a future opressive government useing the records to round up guns or gun owners. Should the mentally ill own handguns? PRobably not. Should children play with them in the street? No, but will gun control stop this? How? Should they be allowed in school? Probably not but 1 - You don't have to regulate guns in general to control a particular area. 2 - Murderous studentscan probably get guns in without a ban stopping them atleast if you don't have very tough security measures and 3 - The gun ban for schools should be enforced in a reasonable way. A case where it wasn't - A vice principal went and got a gun from his care and stoped a violent armed student, then got in a lot of trouble for bringing a gun in to school; another case - A student was suspended for having a minuture plastic GI Joe gun in school. Most schools have pools? I had never been in one that had a pool until I went to a university. I've never said I want them all taken away- but regulation, definitely. Well I'm glad you don't want a ban but many do. As for regulation there is all ready a lot of regulation. Some of which is not enforced, and a lot of which is useless and arbitrary. Tim