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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (2082)	10/10/2000 11:37:30 PM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

<<South Africa and a host of other colonies didn't need to water the tree of liberty with death. An interesting point, don't you think? >> I never knew liberals were so willing to rewrite history to forget the blood spilled in South Africa?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (2082)	10/10/2000 11:42:23 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

<<SO, we have have one for democracy due to current gun ownership. Oh, BTW, Canada, NZ, Australia, South Africa and a host of other colonies didn't need to water the tree of liberty with death. >> Have you considered asking them for acceptance?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (2082)	10/10/2000 11:50:35 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

<<Sorry, the show of hands was limited to one vote. Democracy right? SO, we have have one for democracy due to current gun ownership. Oh, BTW, Canada, NZ, Australia, South Africa and a host of other colonies didn't need to water the tree of liberty with death. An interesting point, don't you think? >> No the founders didn't agree either: James Madison: "Besides the advantage of being armed, which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate [State] governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit to. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." Federalist Papers, Article 46 January 29, 1788

To: cosmicforce who wrote (2082)	10/11/2000 1:06:30 AM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10042

There might have been some other differences, too. On the other hand, we (the USA) wound up as leaders of the free world, didn't we? BTW, you have a pretty heady moniker. What is "cosmicforce," and what is your claim of right to it, whatever it means? I attended a really thought-provoking Yom Kippur service yesterday, with the Rabbi asking us to reflect upon and question our society's "escapism," not only to television and movies, but also to the internet. He suggested that "real TV" is anything but real (a la the show, "Survivor," vis-a-vis casual comments you hear today like, "I survived my kid's soccer season for another year," juxtaposed against the 1940's, "I survived Auschwitz, and you don't want to know what that required"). It was spot on, and I am reflecting upon a lot about our society, our government, our entertainment institutions (Hollywood), this medium, and whether we're subjecting ourselves to enslavement all over again, albeit of a different type. I'm also grateful -- but feel guilty to be both privileged and less challenged -- to live in a time and place where daily choices are not a matter of life and death, like they have been and will be for so many around the world. I will vote for Bush for President. Questions of Bush's intelligence have proven to be a Gore campaign diversion from Gore's own "C" undergraduate record, his flunking out of divinity school, and his dropping out of law school. I feel Bush is more trustworthy to look out for our national interests instead of his own, unlike the pattern of our executive branch for the past eight years. I wonder when the media will start reporting this campaign factually, instead of giving Gore a "pass" on all his policy and factual slip-ups. Just today, the media is playing up Gore's supposedly new tax proposal to deduct college tuition. That's how CNBC reported it throughout the day. Gore is actually promoting it as a college tuition tax deduction of $10,000. But, to my understanding, there's already a tuition tax credit of $2,000 and that Gore's proposal has nothing to do with the $10,000 figure he boasts, but actually increases the credit -- or deduction -- to $2,800. So there's an $800 difference from an already existing program, which he wants us to believe he invented from scratch. Why does Gore want to make $800 sound like $10,000? To get elected. What a shyster. Does the media call him on this? Not yet. Good luck to all of us.