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To: midnight_cowboy who wrote (31831)	10/14/2000 3:48:07 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Howdy pardner, I would totally agree with you about telling someone that they are going to spend eternity in hell if it were up to me. BUUUUUUT the most enlightened, compassionate, caring and loving being ever to walk on this planet, (Jesus Christ), was also the one who talked most about hell. Jesus was not just a man but in fact, he claimed to be God the Son, the second person of the Trinity, who has existed from all eternity. Talk is cheap, but He demonstrated the validity of his claims by the many healing's and miracles that he did. Finally he even conquered death itself, by raising from the dead. I thought it interesting that you said; "Who knows, except God, where that man's journey will end." I have to agree with you there but if Jesus is God then he does know. Not only that but he has warned us about hell and told us how to avoid going there. It is not a matter of some people being better than others, rather all of us have failed to meet the standard of righteousness that God's character demands. That is what the Bible calls sin. The wages of sin is death, not just for some, but for all. You are probably saying to yourself; "I thought the Christian message was supposed to be good news, and your telling me that we are all doomed." Well if that were all there was to it, then it would be bad news, indeed. However, just as a diamond looks brightest against a black cloth, the good news about Jesus Christ really has meaning when looked at against the backdrop of sin. You see, because Jesus is God he lived a perfect, sinless life, thereby meeting that standard of righteousness that we were unable to accomplish by ourselves. Having lived a sinless life, He did something incredible, He laid that life down (at the cross), as a substitute, in order to atone, or pay for the sins of all who will freely (by GRACE), receive it (by FAITH). Now, here is a scenario for you to think about. Suppose I knew that a particular train bridge was just washed out by a flash flood. I also knew that in fifteen minutes a train would come around the corner and would not be able to stop in time to avoid everyone being killed. What do you think would be the most loving thing to do? I think warning the train, and trying to stop it from certain disaster would be very appropriate, don't you? That is what Christians are trying to do. We don't always do it well, and you might think to yourself; "who's that jerk jumping up and down beside the tracks", but that's all we are trying to do. Hope this hasn't put a burr under your saddle. God bless you in your journey, Greg

To: midnight_cowboy who wrote (31831)	10/14/2000 9:00:35 AM
From: haqihana	Respond to of 39621

cowboy, Don't get me wrong. I said that God was not an exclusively American God, and I believe that He has more tolerance than any mortal man can have. His tolerance has been huge beyond measure with His creation, but I feel sure there are limits. It is my firm belief, that God sent a clear message to mankind, when Jesus walked among them, and died to break down the wall between man and God. It was made crystal clear, to me, that the only way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven is through Jesus Christ, our Lord, and Savior. ~H~

To: midnight_cowboy who wrote (31831)	10/14/2000 8:18:33 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 39621

"It is not justified, imo, to tell a person of another faith that he is going to hell when he is obviously searching with the same fervor that we all are. Who knows, except God, where that man's journey will end. " Doesn't the Bible say something about " falling on deaf ears " ? ;-( *Don't you think if Jesus walked the earth today he would be the first to dispel these divisions created by the zealous, who use scripture to in such small petty ways to divide "people from people" "land from land" by the incessant claim to holding the truth while the rest are condemned. I am sure that Shalom gracefully side~stepped the points you drew to his attention in this adroit post here: Message 14563533 It just goes right over his head doesn't it ? But that is what happens with one so "high & mighty "...he just can't see the consistent and frequency of his much too easily tossed out condemnations....if ever in so humble a fashion. And he shows absolutely no real knowledge of any other religious teaching , nor willingness to accept the beautitudes contained in them. Are we sure he is a real person ? Or just a programmed computer~Bot .... Jesus himself would most asssuredly honor all faiths , which "in spirit" support his vision of more compassionate world , and teach enlightenment of thought. He would be astonished and greatly surprised I think as well , to find that so many others in far away lands had the same revelations , and also accomplished so much in teaching "The Way"...thru their own great sacrifices. and he would have been pleased , and embraced their thought as his own. And most probably embraced them in spirit , all as brothers... regards Mars