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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (47244)	10/16/2000 4:56:48 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

The one key difference between public and private education is that the private/parochial schools have the luxury of kicking out non-performing students and maintaining at least a semblance of discipline in the classroom. The only public schools that can come close to a well disciplined private environment are the ones in upper income communities. To find a decent school for low income people is very rare, and possibly confined only to unusual situations, such as the Menonite schools. This indicates the issue is not funds, unless you are advocating military style public schools, which might be a good option. You see, once again, that choice is an option that is needed and desired. The initial funding of vouchers is at the rate of 50% of the true cost of public education. The remainder is left in the coffers of the State. What will they do with it? Well, they could put it in public schools in accountable programs and see if it is possible to resurrect the worst ones. This might satisfy some but since we admit the issue is not funds who knows. Seems like a win-win proposition, after all people are taking on added costs sending their children to voucher schools (transportation most obviously).

To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (47244)	10/16/2000 6:56:10 PM
From: kvkkc1	Respond to of 769667

No, when my boys went to school in Texas, I was willing to sign off on the approval to administer corporal punishment if necessary. If more parents wanted their kids to learn instead of spoiling them rotten, schools would have the ability to discipline the hoodlums. You liberals and the donjuan idiot lawyers have made the teachers afraid to discipline kids who need it. Talk to the ACLU.knc

To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (47244)	10/16/2000 9:04:32 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Respond to of 769667

You can't solve today's problems on the basis of what worked well in the 19th century Oh? Doggone market-oriented WSJ ran some quotes from a newly minted Nobel winner today, including: "Not that Professor Heckman is against formal education. He isn't. But he argues that the current situation in which public schools enjoy monopolies has to be dismantled. He cites the emerging evidence that competition and choice yield better schools and, thus, society receives higher levels of achievement at lower cost." Israel Kirzner, an econ prof at NYU and prolific writer, recently wrote to the effect that the conclusions of economics are largely counter-intuitive. Without guidance, the intelligent layman is likely to reach conclusions inimical to the interests he purports to serve. From your perspective, I'm sure your arguments make sense. If you listen to those who analyze the way the world works with a global view over long spans, you might see something different. Incidentally, I quite agree with your observations regarding deterioration in the civil structures. That's another part of the problem that has be addressed. To find a decent school for low income people is very rare Repeating an earlier post, why hasn't the PS monopoly emulated the success Marva Collins achieved, starting her storefront schools in the Chicago south side?