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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3379)10/22/2000 1:42:48 AM
From: Slugger  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10042
 
October 22, 2000

Presidential Tracking Poll

On Sunday morning, the Portrait of America Presidential Tracking Poll finds
George W. Bush leading Al Gore by a 46% to 41% margin. The percentages
are based on 3,000 interviews, conducted Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.
All of the interviews were conducted following Tuesday's Presidential debate.

So, it appears that neither candidate gained ground with the voters during the
final debate. If that pattern holds, it's good news for George W. Bush, since Al
Gore needs something to turn this race around. From Labor Day until the first
debate, the race for the White House has essentially been even. Since that
first debate, however, Bush has gained ground and held a steady lead.

The telephone survey of 3,000 likely voters was conducted on Wednesday,
Thursday, and Saturday, October 18, 19, and 21. The survey’s margin of
sampling error is +/- 1.8 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

portraitofamerica.com



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3379)10/23/2000 7:04:16 AM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10042
 
Here he goes again, no road building means no fire fighting:

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IN SEARCH OF A LEGACY
Clinton to lock up
national forests
Pushes to establish roadless
rule before leaving office

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Editor's note: In collaboration with the hard-hitting Washington, D.C., newsweekly Human Events, WorldNetDaily brings you this special report every Monday. Readers can subscribe to Human Events through WND's on-line store.

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By Timothy P. Carney
© 2000, Human Events

The United States Forest Service is rushing to make final by mid-December -- before President Clinton leaves office -- a rule that would prohibit all road building in the 54 million acres of national forest that are currently roadless.

The proposed rule has come under fire from many in and out of Congress, including the supervisor of a national forest in Idaho who says that Washington is trying to dictate something that is best determined on a local basis, forest by forest.

Republicans in Congress have also attacked the proposed rule as a politically motivated measure, crafted by extremist environmentalists, which would increase the risk of devastating wildfires on Forest Service land.

Jim Caswell, supervisor of the Clearwater National Forest in Idaho, in an interview with Human Events called the plan "shortsighted" and said that it fails to recognize the unique local factors that individual field offices take into account when planning the use of forest land.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, like many who are watching the issue closely, argues that the Forest Service, a division of the Agriculture Department, is usurping congressional authority and disregarding the federal laws that govern bureaucratic rulemaking.

In 1897, Congress passed the Organic Act, which created the National Forest System. This act explicitly set aside national forests to serve a purpose different from national parks. While national parks are more or less scenic national playgrounds and nature preserves, national forests exist to serve as repositories for the nation's exploitable timber and water assets.

The federal government intended to assure a sustained, renewable timber supply by taking ownership of these forests and regulating the logging there in the interests of preserving a long-term supply of lumber and other wood products. The forests were also intended to be protected watersheds.

Road not taken
In the 1960s, Congress started designating certain federally owned lands "wilderness" areas. In these special reserves, mechanized equipment -- cars, chainsaws, bicycles -- is prohibited. Typically, a "wilderness" area is set aside within a national forest after the congressional delegation from the state in which the forest is located encourages Congress to make the designation by law.

President Clinton's unilateral roadless rule would impose on regular national forest lands many of the same restrictions currently considered the prerogative of the states and of Congress through its ability to designate "wilderness" areas.

Craig attributes the Clinton rule to a "political agenda and not a real time problem on our political lands." A few environmental special-interest groups have basically crafted the rule without any public input, he said.

Craig thinks the Clinton administration -- which has been accused of politicizing the INS, IRS, Department of Justice, Census Bureau and strategic petroleum reserves -- is using the proposed rule in an effort to buy environmentalist votes for Gore and the Democrats. He is convinced the Forest Service has been politicized because, during the recent fire season, "they were willing to shut down all other activities that were involving staff and delegate the staff out to the fires, except those who were working on this issue."

Craig also questioned the prudence of the law.

"What I think the public saw this summer ... was that a well-managed road system can be a tremendous asset during certain conditions. During the catastrophic fire season we just went through, we probably lost hundreds of thousands of acres of habitat simply because roads had already been closed or were not passable for fire-fighting equipment and people."

Secretary of the Interior Bruce Babbitt rejected that reasoning this summer when he told ABC's Sam Donaldson on Aug. 27, "Sam, I've been out on the fire lines, year in, year out, since I was 18 years old as a firefighter, and I can tell you one thing: The way we get to fires today is by helicopter. This is rough, tough country. What does building roads have to do with suppressing fires? I'm put on a helicopter when I go to a fire line."

Doug Crandall, a senior aide with the House Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health, found that statement laughable. Large forest fires, he said, can effectively be fought only where there are roads, and that the maintenance necessary to prevent fires also requires roads.

Crandall provided Human Events with information on the comparative damage caused by fires in roadless as opposed to roaded tracts of National Forest in Montana and northern Idaho last year. While the regions covered by the study were almost equally divided between roadless (24.3 million acres) and roaded (23.6 million acres), the roadless areas were much more devastated. While 397,000 roaded acres burned, 622,000 roadless acres burned -- well over 50 percent more.

Les Rosencrantz, a former firefighter with the Bureau of Land Management agrees that Babbitt's claim is "a pretty dumb statement," and that roads are primary tools for fighting fires.

But Ron Dunton, the current fire program manager at the BLM's national office of Fire and Aviation in Boise, Idaho, says the pro-road forces are politicizing the issue as much as the anti-road groups.

"The whole roadless issue, from a fire standpoint, depends on whether you're a Republican or a Democrat because both sides have politicized it. It's a non-issue," Dunton said.

But he did concede the seemingly obvious point that roads make firefighting easier, adding that a cost/benefit calculation needs to be made. Where there are no roads now, he said, there tend to be few precious resources to protect, such as timber.

George Lennon, spokesman for the Forest Service, echoed that sentiment when he said that the rule would limit access only to places where loggers or harvesters have so far found no reason to harvest.

Additionally, Dunton claims that roadless areas have fewer causes of fires, because people and machinery are absent. Dunton also rejects the claim that active forest management -- which requires roads -- can prevent fires. He said such management is helpful in certain forests, such as the Ponderosa forests in California, but not in most of the West.

Yet, it is precisely this complexity -- that different forests call for different management plans -- that makes the nationwide rule ill-advised, says Clearwater National Forest Supervisor Jim Caswell.

Caswell said Babbitt's statement about the need for roads was a "simplification." Fires "are more difficult to fight, more expensive to fight" from the air, he said. "If it's big and it's really moving, as was the case in some of the major fires that burned this summer, less access means you're less effective."

Dunton's paradigm of roadless-equals-worthless is "baloney," says Caswell. Agreeing that for the most part if timber is there, roads are, too, he added, "That's not the only resource." There are "a lot more valuable resources out there than just trees and the products that trees make," he said, listing fish habitats, wildlife habitats and recreation as national forest resources threatened by fires.

Caswell's central disagreement with the rule is its repudiation of the principle of local control of the national forests. Over half of the 1.8 million acres in Clearwater National Forest are roadless and would be "locked up," as Caswell puts it, by Clinton's rule. That would undo months of work put in by an interdisciplinary team of specialists on how the local timber, water, soil and wildlife should be utilized, as well as how local fires should be fought.

Clearwater's team worked together, weighing the value of the harvesting potential against the value of unique habitats and wildlife. They recommended that Congress set aside 198,000 acres as wilderness, and leave 235,000 acres available for recreation, but not for harvesting or roads. That would have left another 550,000 acres available for eventual timber harvesting and the roads necessary to do that harvesting.

Because Clearwater is unusually wet for an inland forest, it has a rich timber supply in currently roadless areas, said Caswell -- refuting Dunton's argument.

Clinton's rule would shut that land down, foreclose timber harvesting jobs, and put upward pressure on the price of timber used to build American homes.

Caswell sees the rule as an effort by environmentalists to end-run the current process.

"I don't think it's the right approach, quite frankly, I don't. The forest plans have already made these decisions once. It's just that some people don't like the answers."

"The local people look at this national forest as in their backyard," Caswell explained. "Most of those people want to see this forest managed. They do not want to see it locked up."

"Once you draw a line around it and once you proclaim, 'You can't do X, Y, Z on those acres,'" he said, "then the fear is that next week, next month, next year, it'll be, 'Now you can't do A, B, C.' And then you're not going to be able to do D, E, F either."
worldnetdaily.com



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3379)10/23/2000 6:38:00 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042
 
Look at these two articles on China...see if in combo they make sense??? Note the dates....

China Prepares U.S. War Scenarios

By John Leicester
Associated Press Writer
Sunday, Oct. 22, 2000; 12:28 p.m. EDT

BEIJING –– In word and deed – namely its biggest military show in 35
years – China has made clear that it views the United States as potential
enemy No.1.

Besides blowing up targets, test-firing missiles and driving tanks, the
military displays at four land and sea sites in northern China in the middle
of this month proved new capabilities to attack stealth warplanes and
cruise missiles, state media reported.

Meanwhile, a Chinese defense policy paper issued last Monday once
again raised threats of force against Taiwan and pointed to the United
States as chief troublemaker.

Should Beijing's communist leaders order the People's Liberation Army
to
recover the island that split from China 51 years ago, Chinese generals
are
planning against expected U.S. military intervention.

"Do they prepare against the United States? My answer is very clear:
yes," said Yan Xuetong, an expert in international security at Beijing's
prestigious Tsinghua University.

Yan believes war with Taiwan is inevitable. Others are less pessimistic.
In
a report Thursday, the London-based International Institute for Strategic
Studies said China is preoccupied this year with domestic issues, among
them preparing to enter the World Trade Organization. It forecast only
"a
remote possibility" of confrontation over Taiwan.

Moreover, China-U.S. relations have improved this year and their
militaries have expanded contact through reciprocal ship visits and trips
by
Chinese officers to the United States.

Beijing itself says it wants to peacefully recover Taiwan through
negotiations – a goal repeated in the defense policy paper.

But talks are stalemated, and the paper said the situation "is complicated
and grim." It reiterated that China would "adopt all drastic measures
possible, including the use of force" if Taiwan formally splits from China
or
continues indefinitely to refuse to negotiate unification.

China's generals have to assume an attack on democratic, capitalist
Taiwan might provoke an American military response. That is why they
are preparing for the worst.

Chinese fears were sharpened by NATO's air war on Yugoslavia last
year
to protect ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. Beijing saw unsettling parallels
with
its own restive minority regions, like Tibet, and felt NATO's intervention
on human rights grounds set a dangerous precedent for meddling over
Taiwan.

The scenario seems highly dubious right now. Unlike Yugoslavia, such a
conflict could at worst go nuclear, and even if it didn't, it could wipe out
U.S.-China trade worth nearly $95 billion last year, according to U.S.
figures, and trigger global economic catastrophe.

Still, Chinese suspicions have been heightened by Washington's efforts to
develop anti-missile shields, by congressional attempts to expand military
ties with Taiwan, and by continued U.S. arms sales to the island. Yan
said
the Pentagon was moving more submarines to the Pacific and stockpiling
cruise missiles on the Pacific island of Guam.

What should China's leaders conclude from that? "That the U.S. military
has prepared for war against China," Yan insisted.

The Chinese defense paper was peppered with criticisms of the United
States, among them that U.S. support has emboldened Taiwan's
anti-China camp.

With prospects for a peaceful unification of Taiwan and China "seriously
imperiled" and because of "hegemonism and power politics" – Beijing's
code words for U.S. meddling – "China will have to enhance its
capability
to defend its sovereignty and security by military means," said the paper.

But it also sought to allay foreign concerns by saying the military buildup
was "purely for self-defense," and that this year's defense budget of
$14.6
billion is just 5 percent of Washington's. Overseas analysts, however,
believe China spends up to five times more than it says it does.

The Gulf War shocked Beijing by exposing its technological inferiority. It
has since focused attention on the importance of air power in modern
wars. Military experts say Chinese generals have studied how Yugoslav
forces hid equipment from NATO attacks, have installed Russian-made
surface-to-air missiles on the coast opposite Taiwan, and have improved
air defenses around big cities.

But analysts say the Chinese military would be hard-pressed to take
Taiwan, and lags far behind the United States.

"The gap is enormous. They're just not in the same league," said Robert
Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defense Weekly.

© Copyright 2000 The Associated Press

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Top Chinese military official visiting Pentagon,
military bases

Monday, 23 October 2000 15:03 (ET)

Top Chinese military official visiting Pentagon, military bases
By PAMELA HESS

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (UPI) - A top Chinese military official will begin an
11-day trip to the United States this week, visiting the Pentagon and five
military bases, including U.S. Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii.

Gen. Yu Yongbo, a member of China's Central Military Commission, will be
the highest ranking member of the 2.5 million-man People's Liberation Army
to visit the United States this year.

His visit, from Oct. 25 to Nov. 4, is part of a goodwill effort between
the two countries as they try to repair relations after the 1999 bombing of
the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

The United States says the bombing was accidental, a result of faulty
intelligence and an outdated map that showed the embassy elsewhere.

Cohen visited Beijing in July, delivering a speech at the PLA officer's
school. Neither Cohen nor his Chinese counterparts made direct reference to
the bombing, an indication the Chinese were ready to restore ties between
the militaries, Cohen said at the time.

Yu is responsible for PLA officer development, education and management,
and is the PLA's "top political commissar, an influential individual in the
PLA command structure," according to the Pentagon.

Yu has asked to see how the average American soldier lives, and will be
taken to West Point, N.Y., home of the Army's military academy; Bolling AFB,
Washington, D.C.; Fort Jackson, S.C.; and Patrick AFB, Fl.

He will also visit some tourist sites and monuments, according to the
Pentagon.

Yu will conclude his trip with a stop at U.S. Pacific Command headquarters
in Hawaii, the U.S. military outfit with responsibility for operations in
the Pacific rim, including China and Taiwan.

This will be Yu's first to the United States. He is the official guest of
Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness Bernard Rostker.
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