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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (2348)	10/23/2000 4:40:41 PM
From: Scott Bergquist	Respond to of 28931

Greg, I was not responding directly to what you said. My analogy was for general consumption, because I could not respond to so many fast-firing posts..though I wanted too! More to life than non-stop rebuttals and remarks!! More to what I am saying by the "bath" analogy is, most situations are not a "teeter-totter", where one side of the argument ("clunk") leaves you all the down one way, and the other side ("clunk") puts you, again, in a 100% all or nothing. Many people posit that you cannot have morality without religion. The best rule of course is the Golden Rule: do to others, as you would have done to you. If you owned a bank, would you like robbers to show up, because you have plenty of money, and they would soon feel rich, and much better?? I think we can all agree on the Golden Rule. If we agree that everyone gets basic unalienable rights, anything that one does that directly subtracts from the "happiness" of another, is wrong. Just to throw out another "culture and wrong/right" item: In Japan, many daughters sleep with their fathers, until they are teenagers. This is a custom. I know personally of one woman who did this, who told me this. There is no sex. But it is a custom, but I certainly would not advocate it in this country, regardless of how well it works in Japan. Something to ponder in the wrong/right "rules" discussion.

To: Greg or e who wrote (2348)	10/23/2000 4:43:46 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 28931

To which the kids reply but we won't get caught.(avoid the consequences and do what you want) Kids say the darndest things don't they? cosmicforce says: There is ALWAYS a risk of getting caught. You are hanging out with criminals! You might be shot! If it was your bank, you wouldn't want it robbed! Do you want to be the kind of person who robs banks? Is there an example of a person you want to emulate that has robbed banks? How did their life go? What about when the money is gone? Is is sustainable? Will other efforts with less risk and harm produce better results? [...] cosmicforce jr.: Okay, okay Dad you made your point. or Dad, despite all of the logic you give me, I must rob this bank. The list is very long. I stop now to avoid boredom. I also don't want to instantiate robber kids as a reality for myself. ;) Now, here is Greg's (equally effective) version: It is wrong because the Bible says so. Kid McRitchie: But Dad, I don't believe in the Bible. or Okay, right Dad, God will hate me. I won't rob it.

To: Greg or e who wrote (2348)	10/23/2000 6:38:12 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

<< I believe that was the basic line of defense of the Nazi's wasn't it? >> Hitler considered himself a good Catholic and wasn't (and still hasn't been) excommunicated. BTW. Good luck on religion conducing to morality! I, unlike Cos, didn't stress consequences, in raising my son, over right and wrong. We were big on right and wrong. He has turned out great, so we must have done something right. Correct, I mean. Doing what's right (societally/morally) can have harsh consequences for an individual, sometimes. That's what makes heroes, I guess.