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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E who wrote (2614)	10/25/2000 8:01:51 PM
From: cosmicforce	Respond to of 28931

Ever lived in a culture where the woman isn't allowed to say no? Where marital rape doesn't exist as a concept? Yes, and there is scriptural support for this in case she gets any ideas, which she can't because she can't ask her questions in church, only at home. I wonder why thermometers and charts aren't thwarting nature? See I think there was some cynical meeting where the RC hierarchy met and said, "Those Muslim, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists aren't controlling their populations; we shouldn't control ours. God needs his army and we'll fix the population problem later. Those souls will all go to Heaven."

To: E who wrote (2614)	10/25/2000 8:10:19 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

>>The concept "artificial birth control" is obscene.<< Obscenity, of course, is in the eyes of the beholder. Do the illiterate women you mention understand the side effects of Depo-Provera or Norplant? Are they able to make an informed choice? Do they know that if they are injected when they are pregnant there is a risk of birth defects? Do the people who inject them make sure they aren't pregnant? Do they know these drugs cause osteoporis? Do they know that these drugs may make them more susceptible to STDs and HIV? Do they know that for women under 35 it increases the risk of breast cancer? Are they monitored for liver disease? Are they monitored for blood clots? Do they know that the drug causes an increased risk of blood clots that can kill them? Are you sure this isn't being pushed in the Third World to keep "them" from reproducing? If Depo-Provera is such a good drug, why don't educated white women in this country use it?

To: E who wrote (2614)	10/25/2000 10:12:21 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

The Billings method actually involves only the observation and recording of changes in cervical mucous. Natural family planning clinics approved by the church generally advise that it be combined with the temperature method, which requires the extremely precise observation and recording of very small changes in body temperature. Numerous charts are required, observations must be conducted daily without fail, and you can't even start using the method until you've kept the records for several months to establish a baseline pattern. Needless to say, it's not very effective in practice. I live, as you know, in a predominantly Catholic country in the 3rd world, and I can say with some authority that the attitudes that the Church hierarchy takes toward contraception are responsible for a great deal of pain. I've watched a good deal of this nonsense, and I think it's pretty disgusting: if the priests devoted half as much pulpit time to opposing the really drastic abuses of the feudal elite as they do to battling against pills and condoms, they could accomplish some real good. Some favorite stories: A Catholic Priest (thoroughly overweight, as most of them are), asked by a reporter how poor mothers were supposed to feed all the children he wanted them to have, replied (in Tagalog) "add some water to the soup". The church has called for the banning of the pill because it is, they say, an abortifacient drug. This is of course nonsense. The pill prevents ovulation; without ovulation you can't have conception, and without conception you can't have abortion. But many of the poor and devout believe it anyway.... I could go on, but I suppose that's enough.