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To: michael97123 who wrote (38970)	10/30/2000 3:52:48 PM
From: daryll40	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

The whole woman's choice issue has become very clouded. I cannot understand how this faction stood by and allowed young women (Paula Jones, Monica, and that other one who said Clinton raped her) to be taken advantage of by a powerful politician. They told us in 1991, at the Clarence Thomas hearings, that women don't lie about stuff like that and that a mere joke about a pubic hair on a can should keep a man from an office that he was otherwise qualified for. You know the rest of the story. So that group has little credibility. What they're saying is that CERTAIN women should have rights. And THEY KNOW BETTER who those women are. Abortion is a tough issue. But picking one candidate over the other based solely on that one issue, as proven above, is a fools game. Daryll40

To: michael97123 who wrote (38970)	10/30/2000 7:27:35 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT If men bore children we would want to make this decision too. Sometimes we must just trust the judgement of our mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. In my family this is the one issue that all the women of all generations agree on. Perhaps they know something intuitively that we dont. Your pro-choice argument is 100% correct if you start with the pro-choice assumption that there is no one else's rights involved besides the mother's. But if you start with that assumption then you don't even have to make the argument. If you believe that a fetus is an unborn child and deserving of rights then such decisions should not be decided only by women. If you believe a fetus has no rights then again such decisions should not be made by women in general but only by the specific woman involved. As for listening to the judgement of our female relatives, most of mine are pro-life (2 of my 6 sisters are pro-choice). Overall women are slightly more pro-choice then men but not as much as many people think. Women tend to care more about this issue but they care strongly on both sides of it. I do get how important and basic an issue this is to pro-choice women, but it is also an important and basic issue to pro-life women (and men). As for the "If men bore children..." argument, I can not speak for men in general but I can say that it would not change my mind on this issue. I think those who say "If men bore children there would not even be a debate", are wrong and I don't tend to place to much value on arguments based on total fantasy any way. This is very off topic. If someone wants to continue this conversation I suggest we either take it to private messages or one of the coffee talk message threads. Abortion is not only very off topic, but it tends to inspire a lot of arguments that can go on for some time. I do intend this to be my last post about it on this thread so as not to unbearably clog this thread up with such off topic messages. Tim