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To: robnhood who wrote (33760)	11/3/2000 8:22:42 PM
From: flatsville	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

>>>It now takes two members working to not quite make ends meet. Of course it's called equality, not slavery. ho ho ho<<< rrman-- What are you saying? That working women have reduced men's pay so that now both spouses have to work? That implies that women gleefully left home in search of employment (which some did and do.) or Perhaps they were driven from the home to help support their families (many were and are.) Interesting chicken-egg problem, no? Nonetheless it doesn't change the fact that few single people and only a small minority of families can have a member quit work to take care of a sick parent for a prolonged period. Does that make things worse rather than better? See I don't believe the myth that families took care of the aged in the past better than they do now. The problem was different in nature back then. Many more people died younger in their "old age" than now. They weren't slapped on ventilators and sent home with IVs, repeatedly, like they are now. A hospital stay was longer in length and people came home less debilitated or they didn't come home at all. Or they never saw the inside of the hospital to begin with like my grandparents on my mother's side and her aunts and uncles. There was no money for a hospital so they died miserably at home. The pre-Medicare generation. That's how they got taken care of at home by their family. I think it makes things different...not worse...just different.

To: robnhood who wrote (33760)	11/4/2000 9:00:34 AM
From: re3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<<<<<<I don't agree with you. My father drove a cab, and my mother stayed home. They were buying the house we lived in. 1950's, let's see a cabby do that today. It now takes two members working to not quite make ends meet. Of course it's called equality, not slavery. ho ho ho iconoclastrrman You have to admit it's getting better It's getting better All the Time RR, perhaps things are different in our town vs the u.s. of a. , but what you report is definitely true. Used to be in toronto that a factory worker could pick up a two bedroom home somewhere, wife would be a home maker and they'd have their two tots. Can't be done now. And those that do have plant jobs are driven mad with paperwork and computers that they don't really understand but are required to operate. And with just in time manufacturing and such, the down time that occurs due to bottlenecks that a factory worker really needs to get a few extra minutes of rest do not occur any more. They work their guts out now. And when you mention the two workers, sometimes its more. Many students work way too many hours. Some of this is to buy stuff, but sometimes they are doing the sorts of jobs that their parentals might have done 40 years ago to support their family. The families sometimes really need the money. And, when a person here is in a union type job, like the posties or the transit commish, the public seems to view these people as 'arseholes', as if organizing themselves to make a liveable wage enough to actually live somewhere decent ON STREET LEVEL is a crime against them ! But these poor people are really at fault, right, shouldn't they should have known to have bought nortel and sold a month ago ? <ng>