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To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (34701)	11/6/2000 10:44:05 PM
From: PJ Strifas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

>>Yes, I know because I have sat next to people doing the >>port scans and looking at peoples machines ...it's what we >>do some weekend nights for fun ... ;-) Shhh.....do you have to tell EVERYONE! :) Peter

To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (34701)	11/6/2000 11:09:55 PM
From: ToySoldier	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Scott, I dont think one needs a Napster session to initiate port scans, specially when one is on a cable modem. I have the new version of AtGuard - Norton Internet Security installed for the past 8 months. I get port scanned multiple times a day. Most of the time the hackers are looking for viruses with backdoors. Then - I track down their IP address and report them to their ISP - if they are too aggressive in scanning my computer. On another note Scott, is the free-electron service still up and running? I tried logging in and couldnt last night. Cheers Big Guy! Perry

To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (34701)	11/7/2000 3:13:07 AM
From: RIT	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hi Scott, >>I'm still looking for the real good examples, Yep, there are few (if any), but I expect that they way in which things happen will changes as and when products become available. As for client/supplier/card company, my example was the transfer of address details between the client who needs to supply billing and delivery addresses for an order and the supplier. A futher step could be the signing of the addresses by the card company to pre-authorise a delivery address if its different to the billing address etc, it just needs the compaines to be willing do do such things. >>You, As the card holder have nothing today. True, and only the card companies can modify the current model and they will be very slow about it as there is currently few business advantages in do so. >>And if you use a product like AtGuard you would be very >>aware of what occurs when you start to trade files on >>Napster. You'd see immediate port scans and other >>attempts to compromise your system ... ;-) This is true for any connect, its just Napster users stay online longer (apart from MP4 users). This is where a personal directory could add value, by extending products like AtGuard to become gatekeepers, ports would then be available to external connections if validated via federated links between directories (yours and a mate). Overall my view is that P-P designs will drive such products as it allows for the building of Napster type solutions, but ISPs and ASPs ect could become central 'white pages' where there is a level of trust available. Roger