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To: Rarebird who wrote (60832)	11/10/2000 7:01:45 PM
From: marek_wojna	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116756

As someone who is looking from the distance on your heated arguments with others on this post I have to take your side. Gore is already the winner, the only way he might congratulate Bush is if some kind of the closed doors deal is done for the good of the country (very short lived). This is highly unlikely since Monica affair and the stand Republicans took at the time. Revote must take the place to clean the air. In much younger democracies if such a huge difference was in place between two counts the case would end up in second vote and long investigation, never mind badly designed ballots. If the case is left without court decision, I expect next election 10% turnout - 8% voting for Green Party, unless you learn something from the communists and make voting mandatory.

To: Rarebird who wrote (60832)	11/11/2000 3:49:18 AM
From: PaulM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116756

"In many ways, it has just begun" I think Bush is a business as usual insider, and not too sharp either. I didn't vote for either candidate (I did like Nader). But maybe you can explain the democrats position on this because I find it unbelievable. Do you really believe--with the benefit or 20/20 hindight--that Gore can can now search the four democratic stongholds in what we know is the swing state looking for problems? Why not revisit the other Florida counties too? For that matter--how do you know 50,000 people in pennsylavnia didn't mistakenly vote for Gore? The irregularities that democratic partisans like yourself are bandying seem fairly typical on election day. Things never go perfectly. You just hope that the problems cancel out overall. What is not normal is Gore's legal challenge. He must figure he has a shot, regardless of what the law is, if he draws the right judge. But these are lines that politicians--even the likes of Nixon--would never have crossed in the past because they had modicum, just a tiny sliver, of integrity. If a certified recount shows Gore won, so be it. He is our president. But if the recount shows Bush won, and Gore goes to court, he gets my vote for ass of the millenium.

To: Rarebird who wrote (60832)	11/11/2000 1:06:52 PM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116756

<<Won't you be surprised if the courts determine that the ballot as presented in the voting booths of Palm Beach County was illegal. Whether or not the whole world saw the ballot beforehand is irrelevant.>> I never said the ballot was irrelevant, only that a democrat had designed improved & approved the ballot. If fault MUST be found with the person who designed the ballot, it must be found in the democrat who designed the ballot. <<If anyone needs to be careful, it is you and your boy Bush. Both of You seem to be dogmatically assuming a lot here as usual. Only 300+ votes separate the Presidency from Gore. This election is not over by a long shot. In many ways, it has just begun. >> I don't "assume" anything here, except that with each day this goes on the chances of a world ending gold become better - though this alone may be a world class assumption. I think our nation would be (somewhat) better off were it ended one way(or the other) but (unlike Bush) don't agree a winner should be announced until the count is done. Where I do agree with Bush is that the Democrats can not expect an ENDLESS number of recounts UNTIL their predetermined result is obtained. I also don't agree with some sort of voodoo statistical analysis allocation of miss-punched votes. This is the realm of exacting accounting of all ballots acceptable under the law- nothing less - or more - will do. Both of these men are somewhat wrong in what they are doing for our nation.