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To: carranza2 who wrote (8110)	11/12/2000 11:49:20 AM
From: Dave	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

When u click on the links, click on "Claims" at the top of the screen. This is where Qualcomm is afforded its coverage. I perused the claims and somewhat disagree with this person's discription. For example, EP666007 - Mobile Communications Device Registration Method. Both the base station and the mobile have to use this patent. In 3G, this is very significant in that how and where the mobile registers determines what mode the base station will use to page the mobile and what technology it will use to establish a traffic channel, based on probability of where the mobile is, and where it is going. Please keep in mind that 3G systems will overlay, not replace, existing 1G/2G systems. I completely disagree with this discription. No where in the claims does Qualcomm talk about "what mode the base station will use to page the mobile..." It appears that the inventive step of this patent is that instead of the base station sending its identifier, it also sends a distance measurement. Furthermore, the purpose of this patent is to reduce registration when a mobile is moving back and forth between 2 cells. There are many patents simliar to this. Nokia has patents on a technique called Location Area Index (LAI) where a group of base stations comprise a LAI and when a mobile registers with one, it can "roam" (i use that term loosely) amongst the other base station without having to re-register, thus reducing registration traffic..... To me, this appears to be a patent for Qualcomm where they are trying to determine a rough position for a mobile w/i the network.... dave

To: carranza2 who wrote (8110)	11/12/2000 6:03:38 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

"Determining the Data Rate of a Received Signal" Interestingly I did the same back in the early 80s. Tough thing to patent without violating the rule that it shouldn't be obvious to anyone with an education in the field. The "search and find" method is always a good reference, something I'm still told to do when I've lost whatever it was. I especially liked the claim 1, 37 and 48, although claim 1 could have been slightly broader by just claiming: "Method for producing a second and a third signal of a first signal, while recounting holes in Florida" Great job and a lot of money to be earned by being the one writing the magic, detailed text needed to get any obvious patent through the person at the patent office. (which of course has no practical meaning, the court is the one which decides) Ilmarinen.