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To: Selectric II who wrote (14967)11/12/2000 11:54:16 AM
From: IngotWeTrust  Respond to of 65232
 
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To: Selectric II who wrote (14967)11/12/2000 11:56:25 AM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 65232
 
As a worker in past voting counts, I take great exception 2 "no objective standards" b/s promulgated by the Baker mouthpiece for the Bush camp.

Unless you've sat on your ass
behind a table
flanked by blue-hairs
who are slower than molasses,
and sat there
for hours
.......and hours
.............. and hours on your [sic]end,
doing the vote count thang
the hard way...
by tally sheets,
you have NO CLUE as to how objective a hand count is.

And each and every decision made by the "hand counter" is observed/witnessed by at least ONE member of each political party, so there are 3 "objective" standards right there.

Furthermore, all these "procedures aka objective standards" are set out in state law ad nauseum. REMEMBER: WE USED TO HAND TALLY GENERAL ELECTIONS LOOOOOOOONG BEFORE WE EVER USED A VOTING MACHINE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!

I am incensed that talking heads for the Bush campaign would utter such absolutely inaccurate pap repeatedly.

Obviously Baker has never gotten his hands dirty at a local election precint/parish or volunteered at the county clerk's office in his "august" but misguided career. Besides, he wasn't such a hot Sec'y of State as I recall. Or maybe I shouldn't...<grin>

carry on...now that I've stood up for the local blue-hairs!

BTW, if Bush via Baker and their attack of the blue-hairs is any indication of the REEEEEAL attitude of the potential Bush Admin's policy toward the "senior citizens" of this great land...we are ALL in trouble!!!!! Anyone of us getting younger by the minute here on the porch?

I just hope I have enough hair left to turn "blue" by (Grecian Formulae?) by the time Bush or Gore leaves office...whether in a box or a ballot box...

O/49r



To: Selectric II who wrote (14967)11/12/2000 12:01:32 PM
From: CAtechTrader  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Agree Selectric, they are not "recounting" they are "re-classifying"...Baker should have used that concept on TV..its a good one...also think about this if 19,000 ballots being disqualified in PB is "anomolous" at 6%, then what is 125,000 disqualified in Cook County, IL at 6% or a 90% turn out in 3 Detroit Demo Precincts whose past average turn out has been 35% with a maximum ever of 45% and whose exit polls indicated a 40% turn out. What are those?



To: Selectric II who wrote (14967)11/12/2000 12:03:54 PM
From: CAtechTrader  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
Hand recounts traditionally find " 5 new votes per 1000 cast in favor of the majority party in whatever jurisdiction the "recount" is held.



To: Selectric II who wrote (14967)11/12/2000 1:47:37 PM
From: HEP_Ronin  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
Inaccurate vs unbiased.

I spent most of my life, (although not currently), studying physics. When you make a measurement accuracy refers to how close to that true number the measurement is. No measurement can be made without assigning an uncertainty to the number. What you want to guard against, however, (unless perhaps you happen to be a crooked politician) is a systematic, or biased error in the measurement.

Baker used the term accuracy when making the case for the superiority of machine counting over hand counting, when what he should have said was unbiassed. Machine counting evidently is not 100% accurate, but I believe that it is unbiased. It doesn't favor one candidate over the other. On the other-hand counting democratic districts using one method, and Republican districts using another is obviously biased unless one were to instruct the hand counters to only accept those ballots that a machine would accept, in which case you might as well use a machine.

Let's face it. The election was basically a tie. Anything could have tipped the balance in the direction of one candidate or the other. What if the election had been held a week sooner, or a week later? What if the networks hadn't projected a Gore win in Florida? What if the weather had been different? What if 1% more Republicans had voted, or 1% more Democrats?

The point is the election was a tie. A "coin" was flipped and George W. Bush came out the winner. The coin was then flipped a second time (machine recount) and G.W.B. came out the winner again. Then Daley and Co. decided to add a little weight to one side of the coin and flip it again. That's what is going on with the selective recount.

Maybe a hand-recount is more accurate if done properly. But that is not what is being accomplished here, nor is it the intent. The intent of Daley and Co. is to steal the White House for their boss Al.