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To: multicollinearity who wrote (60967)	11/12/2000 1:58:11 PM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93625

Multi, Hole punches tend to work better when there is a lot of force applied. Slower acceleration of the blade through the paper tends to leave ragged edges. If the hole is not cut cleanly, it is possible that one side may be left hanging, particularly if the blade is dulled. Zeev's point is not as ridiculous as you make it out to be. Scumbria

To: multicollinearity who wrote (60967)	11/12/2000 2:34:12 PM
From: jim kelley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93625

All three of the election board members in West Palm Beach are Democrats! Seems to me that board members should be drawn from all the parties represented on the ballot.

To: multicollinearity who wrote (60967)	11/12/2000 4:00:23 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 93625

Multi, sorry if I offended you. I am trying to understand what is going on in a "rational" matter. All I have to go on are reports floating on MSNBC (and I look at them only intermittently).Of course, if the distribution of voters there is more Dems than Reps, there will be more Dems than Reps "recovered votes". In that precinct where they manually counted 4000 votes or so and Gore picked up an additional net 19 votes (about .5%), anyone knows what was Bush' pick up and Gore pick up separately? I would say that the total votes pick up must have been more than 40 votes and that is 1% of the total vote, certainly something to look at when the Florida wide difference is .005%. I am still waiting for someone to come out with a simple number. Let say that n is the total number of people in Florida that voted, let say that u, v and y are the numbers voted for Rep, Dems and all the rest respectively, how much is m=n-u-v-y ? if m is much larger than u-v, then I think it might make sense to recount, if not, why bother? Anyone here knows what is m? By the way, the nature of shearing of paper is not determined by force but by the impact (the time derivative of force). A low impact will cause shearing only at the weakest point in a perforation (I presume there is a pre-perforated "dot" in the ballot), while a high impact will shear the dot completely out. Statistically, you must admit that elderly people applying a slow hesitant force will have a greater probability of leaving an attached chad than a young robust high impact "perforator", I would say "it is elementary, Watson". (g). Zeev

To: multicollinearity who wrote (60967)	11/12/2000 4:12:32 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93625

mul---ty: It has nothing to do with force of punch or strenght of paper. It has to do with the abrasive nature of the peper slowly wearing down the shear edges to the point where they crush and tear the paper. If there is not enough travel to the punch the punched out disc can hang onto the ballot by a strand or more and those fibers can act like a hinge so when the ballot is laid flat the paper cut (called a 'chad') can fold back and block the light path of an optical reader. It is a known problem. The burst type, where the peper is not punched but is burst by a blunt projection has the same problem. The machines with the true punches built in usually have a bunch of punched, one individual punch for each potential ballot hole. These usually also have a lockout so once you make one punck in a selected area you are stopped from making another one, for example you can make one Presidential punch, one VP, x senators, y congressmen etc. They have those smarts. The blunt prong type is just a paper holder and a grid of gaps behind the paper for you to make a burst of the paper at that point. You can make too many holes if you are not too swift.... as many of the people in certain areas in Florida did....are they then really informed voters. Some hav accused the Democratic machinery of registering many elderly people who were not fully compos mentis and when they entered the booth, they played with their ballot a bit to much, some 19,200 spolied by over punching. I can see over punching being a reason to reject the ballot....the person was to dumb to understand what they were doing. I looked at the butterfly ballot and it looks perfectly rational to me. There is a name and an arrow to each name to punch. This ballot was approved by all parties. I am in Canada and do not side with either the democrats or republicans, they have zero meaning here. I do know that you cannot let this be decided by judges who are republicans or democrats, for obvious reasons. Bill