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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5815)	11/13/2000 2:15:39 AM
From: williamvictor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

Manual vote counting existed from the 1780's until 19?? in the United States. What Baker is saying is nonsense. There are Republican and Democratic observers for each questioned ballot. It they don't agree that ballot is set aside for later determination. Votes were counted by hand for at least 150 years in the United States. Bush approved of this system in his own state. The Baker/Bush objections are just bunk and every fair minded person, Republican or Democratic knows it. Your assumption that a recount in Duval County of the 27,000 discarded votes would favor Bush depends on a lot of facts which are not reported. Did those discarded votes come from certain precincts? Were the voters in those precincts more heavily Democratic or Republican or evenly divided? What was the cause of the discards? Without that information you cannot tell whether a recount would have favored Bush or Gore? If a recount would have favored Bush, why hasn't Bush asked for a recount? I would be in favor of a manual recount of those ballots. Let it be the way it comes out after a manual recount. If Bush wins, fair and square, then he should be the President. Further, there should be a recount in New Mexico, Wisconsin and Iowa. Those states are all too close.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5815)	11/13/2000 9:56:38 AM
From: David Howe	Respond to of 10042

Ron, Thanks for providing the proof that William asked for. << Duval county has been cited as being heavily Republican. Some 27,000 votes were invalidated as double-punched. jacksonville.com "Meanwhile, they accused Jacksonville election managers of providing misleading information about the voiding of 27,000 votes in Tuesday's presidential election. State law required the nullifications because voters marked more than one candidate or they failed to mark any candidate, but critics are bemoaning the slowness of election officials to detect the problem. The 27,000 votes were never counted, and election officials say there's no way for them to gauge the effect on either candidate." >> William, My point to you is that you are not up to speed. You are either not following the story closely or you are only listening to the democratic spin. Neither ballot is illegal. If you believe the democrats that still say the Palm Beach ballot is illegal (there aren't many of them still saying this) I feel sorry for you. The reason this is no longer the issue is because the ballot is NOT illegal. The rules you read were for paper ballots only, not electric ballots or punchcard ballots. William, please catch up, or stop throwing around your misinformation. Dave