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To: Gerald Walls who wrote (14190)	11/13/2000 10:50:15 AM
From: pat mudge	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24042

OT -- Why should I listen to your slanted rhetoric any more than what's coming out of the media? Let's face it. We're all slanted. Gore won the popular vote and is behind by such a slim margin in Florida, if he doesn't win the state, he loses the election. Considering the blatant irregularities, if he didn't contest the tally, he wouldn't be fit to be president. Pat

To: Gerald Walls who wrote (14190)	11/13/2000 1:45:43 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 24042

I guess, that these evil punch card ballots worked perfectly everywhere else in the state Punch ballots are not used in all Florida counties. The uncertainty is unpleasant. It needs to get worse. There should be court challenge and countersuit and finger pointing, namecalling, and fistfights in the street before way out of date and obsolete and it's going to take more pend up anger to get it fixed. I think it will be New Year's with 30 states under recount before people will have had enough to build a bi-partisan consensus for reform. TP Msg edited to remove sentence fragment.

To: Gerald Walls who wrote (14190)	11/13/2000 4:53:30 PM
From: David C. Burns	Respond to of 24042

Bush is using the tactic of declaring himself so sure that he is the proper winner that he feels he should proceed with the transition. He has to at this point because if he says that he may not be then he has handed Gore the ability to ask for anything he wants and Bush couldn't really complain. Bush's real mistake was not calling for a state-wide manual recount when Gore called for his extremely selective Democrat-intensive recount, believing, I guess, that these evil punch card ballots worked perfectly everywhere else in the state except Democratic strongholds. Even though it is past the 72-hour deadline to call for a manual recount (and hats off to the slick Gore team to wait long enough to call for it that the Bush team didn't have time to react), if (when) the Bush team loses their court case they should file another in state court to argue that since a manual recount is being done in a specific few areas that the only fair thing to do in a race of this importance is to grant an exception and manually recount the entire state. The court may agree since the entire Palm Beach County is now being manually recounted when the Gore team didn't request that. How can Gore object since he believes this is more accurate and he really, really wants to determine "the will of the people?" Nader voter here (yes, it's all my fault!) While you are calling for us to lift the blinders from our eyes, I would just point out that Bush was presented with a cleft stick - he could call for statewide recount and lose -- it's apparent that any major shifts in counts are pretty much confined to Palm Beach County - Volusia came in with, what, net of +3 for Gore. Or he could remain silent and hope that the momentum moved against Gore forcing him to concede. Gore outflanked him.