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To: Math Junkie who wrote (39598)	11/13/2000 7:52:07 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

re: who is representing the interests of the people? Successful politicians assemble a collection of interest groups (tree-huggers, RightToLifers, Latinos, etc, etc), enough to make a majority, and then represent the interests of those groups. No one represents the entire People (except in theory); you can't be all things to all people. If this goes on much longer, we are going to start rapidly sliding down the slippery slope, with chaos at the bottom. We have already reached a point where whoever wins, will have his legitimacy questioned for the next 4 years, severely hampering his ability to function as President. With every passing day, with every legal maneuver and press conference, the value of the Presidency to the winner, for the next 4 years, is steadily diminishing. I just hope the country can glide on autopilot for the next 4 years, because we are not going to have effective leadership in the White House. It is a sure thing, that if the manual recounts in Democratic counties ends up giving the win to Gore, then we'll end up manually recounting all 6 million votes in the entire State. The Republicans will insist on it. They aren't asking for that yet, because they hope to stop the endless recounting while they are ahead. And it doesn't end there. A half dozen states have razor-thin pluralities for Gore or Bush, and they may all be challenged. This may go on and on and on.

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39598)	11/13/2000 8:37:31 PM
From: daryll40	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

The Republicans SHOULD have asked for a handjob in their counties too. I cannot believe that they merely "missed" it...there must be more method to their madness. Daryll40

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39598)	11/13/2000 8:37:48 PM
From: Cary Salsberg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT The hand count is basically a red herring. The real issue is the re-vote in Palm Beach County. The Republicans don't want a re-vote because thousands of Gore votes went to Buchanan or the invalid heap. Their first strategy was to stress the urgency of a decision. With this strategy they could not ask for time consuming hand counts in counties that favored them, and they tried to block hand counts in court. The Democrat strategy was to push for "fairness" and minize urgency. They asked for hand counts because the results likely favored the argument for re-vote, they are time consuming, and selected counties could reverse the election results. The Republicans lost their court battle to block hand counts, so they used the Secretary of State to stop them. This will go to court. If the hand counts are stopped, Bush wins. If not, Bush loses unless Republicans ask for a state hand recount. A state recount will provide plenty of time for a re-vote in Palm Beach County and with a re-vote Bush loses. I firmly believe that election night left a chess game with positions each side had to play and they are competing to win, only to win, everything else be damned. I also firmly believe that if the positions were reversed each side would act the way the other is acting.

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39598)	11/13/2000 10:20:20 PM
From: Dale Knipschield	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

The idea of having an offspring of Richard J. Daley involved in, or even anywhere near, an important vote recount should send shudders through anyone who values honesty and integrity. This family wrote the book on voting "irregularities". Regards, Knip

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39598)	11/13/2000 11:10:46 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Richard, I'm all for getting as accurate a count as possible. But the same method of counting should be used state-wide. That would be the fair way to do it. How this could be brought about, given the tangle of litigation, rulings, deadlines etc. that we now see developing is truly a puzzle. I agree 100%- All or None(I'd prefer none). BTW, if Gore REALLY wanted to see the "will of the people" wouldn't he have asked for a statewide count? I think he meant to say "will of my people." BK