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To: Mama Bear who wrote (85466)	11/15/2000 7:25:47 AM
From: Don Lloyd	Respond to of 132070

Barb - lewrockwell.com "...It was the temper of the times that John Quincy Adams was almost impeached when he made the terrible mistake, when praised at a public speech, of instead of simply smiling non-committally, actually getting up, and making a speech. Here is what he did: he got up, said "Thank you," and sat down. This in his time was a scandal. And I would suggest this: rightly so. It was utterly dishonorable to so solicit praise in the highest of honors was the view, and for weeks people debated where such unseemly loquaciousness might lead. One paper warned that if this were overlooked, chattering Presidents with vast retinues would soon be travelling the countryside making speeches promising the impossible, and in fulfilling improper expectations they thus created, expanding their power in many small steps. Such views were, however, thought alarmist after the outcry. What esquire or person of repute would do such things?..." Regards, Don

To: Mama Bear who wrote (85466)	11/15/2000 3:12:36 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

More importantly, did Exxon discourage him from drinking on the job? And, was the ship up to the latest safety standards? Tom

To: Mama Bear who wrote (85466)	11/15/2000 11:42:43 PM
From: wiz	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 132070

Mama bear I didn't see your post.. for some reason I'm not alerted to posts anymore. I have no idea what you're defending. A ship owned by Exxon, smashed into Blye reef and spilled ..11.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA million gallons of oil. They arrived at the 11 million figure by pumping the remaining oil from the boat, and doing some fuzzy math..lol Mostly what they pumped from the vessel was sea water.. so the figure in my estimation was much higher. So they lied about the amount of oil. The reef that guy hit was the brightest green spot a radar ever has or will show.. it sticks out like a sore thumb. Hey, I've commercial fished for over 20 years, I drank like a fish years ago.. you have to be half dead to hit that reef. I lost an entire fishing season that year. Most the guys went, and then got payed by Exxon for their loss. I couldn't do it, didn't have the heart to plow around in oil pretending to fish.. so I got nothing. The value of my permits tumbled, it was years for the stocks of fish to recover. The value of fish went way down from a percieved loss in quality to Alaskan fish. We won a law suit against Exxon.. they will string paying a dime on for the next 50 years.. What do you want from me? I blame Exxon, yes, it cost me 100s of thousands of dollars, not to mention riping my heart out seeing entire scores of wildlife die. Rock cliffs that when you drove by them turned the sky black from birds flying... you got covered in shit too.. now no birds..