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To: MeDroogies who wrote (86914)	11/16/2000 8:22:12 PM
From: Elwood P. Dowd	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 97611

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To: MeDroogies who wrote (86914)	11/17/2000 9:57:36 AM
From: Windseye	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 97611

If chards are falling out as the ballots re merely handled how does ANYONE have confidence that these same ballots counted EITHER by machine or by hand actually produces a valid and reliable score at all? I suspect that we are being to simplistic in our discussion of the reliability and validation techniques of the various counting methods... I NEED to see where the original evidence for confirming the cross validity of ALL machines compared to KNOWN hand counted absolutely accurate voting. I understand that states have established criteria for making decisions about which ballots to hand count in one way (if double punched on any one contest, throw out the ballot, etc.) Obviously these rules can be written down, subscribed to, and employed in all situations, should people with a modicum of intelligence care to do so. The machines themselves can or should be compared to hand count samples and then rated in terms of efficiency and accuracy so eeveryone knows the percent accuracy of the various manufacturer's counting devices. I suspect that the actual card ballot making companies should have their products evaluated in terms of reliability as well. To claim that, across the board, all these voting precincts and counties suffer the same degree of error is just absurd, unless you can show that they used the same methods, the same critieria, the same machines, and the same paper stock... no way. I'm moving more to the view that all possible remedies should be employed in this election to count as accurately as possible and that it take as long as necessary... only when we can agree that it has been done to everyone's satisfaction (open and public assessment) will we be able to feel comfortable with the decision. Perhaps Florida can publish a set of rules for hand counting and then require that all counties observe the known rules in a final hand count.