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To: Cirruslvr who wrote (19435)	11/17/2000 11:12:35 AM
From: Andrew Shih	Respond to of 275872

Hmmm...something doesn't add up here: Gateway will offer three consumer systems: the Performance 1400, 1500 and 1500XL. The first will come with the 1.4-GHz Pentium 4 and the other two with the 1.5-GHz processor. Prices will start at $1,999." Based on historical positioning, Gateway's $1999 system will have 1.4GHz P4, their $2499 system will have a 1.5GHz, and their $2999 system will be a fully loaded 1.5GHz unit. With Athlons it is currently 1.1GHz in $1999, 1.2GHz in $2499, and no $2999. Currently, a P3 1 Ghz "Deluxe" model runs $2128 with a 17" monitor, 32 MB Geforce2 DDR card, 40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM, and Win ME w/ Office 2000. How crippled would a $1999 P4 1.4 Ghz have to be? Also, the 1 Ghz XL model is fully loaded and runs $2999. This system includes the 64 MB GeForce2 Ultra, DVD-ROM & CD-RW, 1394 IEEE card, TV Tuner, and 19" monitor. A P3 1Ghz runs around $400. The P4's are around $200-300 more right? Also, RDRAM is probably at least $100 more than SDRAM, even after the Intel Rebate. Toss in added costs for the new case, and we're talking around $300 more for a P4 versus a P3, right?

To: Cirruslvr who wrote (19435)	11/17/2000 11:28:40 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Cirrus, I was entertained by the latest Kanellos article; I was about to post the link but you beat me too it. Some highlights I appreciated: In recent years, the debate over which company makes better processors--Intel or Advanced Micro Devices--has in many ways surpassed the Windows vs. Macintosh conflict as the never-ending topic of debate in the PC world. Chat room discussions range from intricate arguments over performance to name-calling screeds. With a link to news.cnet.com for an example screed. The next paragraph will be sure to inspire a name-calling screed directed at poor Kanellos from Paul, Elmer, and Co.: One area where AMD will have a lead is in dual processing. The P4 does not currently work in the two-processor configurations popular on workstations or in low-end servers. The capability is not expected until at least second quarter 2001, when Intel also delivers a Xeon version of P4, potentially creating big holes in high-performance system product lines. For now, AMD will have the edge in this area over Intel. Tucked in among the bland reportage, a couple sentences straight from the Intel NetB*s marketing handbook: Debuting at 1.4 GHz and 1.5 GHz, the Pentium 4 will be faster than the speediest Athlon on the market, which tops out at 1.2 GHz. The new chip is designed to provide a substantial boost when it comes to multimedia and Internet-centric applications. A bit debatable, I'd say. Finally, my favorite bit: Pentium 4 boxes will also be big because of the insulation required. The chip consumes an average of 50 watts of power when in operation, according to Intel. This is less than the 60 watts some of the first Athlon chips consumed but more than standard Pentium IIIs consume. I think Kanellos got confused again. I believe he meant to say shielding instead of insulation, to protect the poor, naive user from radiation sickness induced by the nuclear powered P4. Whether that is a greater danger than nausea induced by the NetB*s marketing campaign, only time will tell. (all quotes from news.cnet.com Cheers, Dan.

To: Cirruslvr who wrote (19435)	11/17/2000 11:50:31 AM
From: Pravin Kamdar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

It looks like the P4 launch is not a paper launch. The sleeper has awoken! Pravin.

To: Cirruslvr who wrote (19435)	11/17/2000 12:23:18 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Cirruslvr few thinks about the prices don't compute in particular the chip should be far less expensive than Athlon because of the rambus extra cost. The chip would be larger than Athlon and intel's profit margin is expected to remain above 60%. Hence we have a chip that would be next to nothing to build and it had no development costs and at start should have yields higher than current pIII yields. Regards -Albert

To: Cirruslvr who wrote (19435)	11/17/2000 2:39:53 PM
From: andreas_wonisch	Respond to of 275872

Cirrus, Re: Looks like the P4 will be price competitive with the Athlon, but we don't know what speed RDRAM they will use. If they use PC600 RDRAM performance will stink moreso. Based on the HP offer from Best Buy (which was also at ca. $2,000) it's IMO safe too assume that the other OEMs will also only use PC600 in this price class. Probably only the high end 1.5 GHz P4s (>$2,500) will have PC800 RDRAM. I hope some sites will compare the impact on performance with the slower RDRAM (Tom will probably do so). Andreas