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Politics : Why is Gore Trying to Steal the Presidency? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Carolyn who wrote (772)	11/17/2000 11:58:31 AM
From: lml	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3887

FWIW, J. Lewis rules essentially as I thought he would. It pays to read his ruling to appreciate the legal thinking the issue. Now, despite all the chest pounding we heard from Bill Daley and his Gore supporters, the ruling today IMHO does shift a greater burden upon the Democrats in their appeal to the Florida appellate court, and likely the Florida Supreme Court IRRESPECTIVE of the latter Court's interlocutory order. Obviously, the important issue at this point is how the Fla. S. Ct. will ultimately rule on the matter. First, it is very unlikely, IMHO, that it will rule on the matter today. So, you Gore supporters, fahgeddaboud' preventing the Secretary of State certifying the election results tomorrow. Second, one must appreciate the grounds only upon which the Supreme Court can overturn the lower court's decision. It will not do so based upon the FACTS of the case, but rather whether the judge has wrongly interpreted Florida law, namely the statute that grants DISCRETION to the Secretary of State to accept or reject election results. In his ruling, J. Lewis ruled that the Secretary of State had BROAD DISCRETION, but that should could not "arbitrarily," in other words blindly, reject. . . or accept, late counts. She merely had to lay a foundation and rationale for her rejection or acceptance. The Supreme Court will have to find that J. Lewis erred in his interpretation of the statute and that the legislature did not intend to give the Secretary of State as broad discretion in light of the hand counts now taking place, as J. Lewis believed, but rather call upon the Secretary of State to allow the hand counts to continue to completion BEFORE rendering her rejection or acceptance of the hand counts. Notwithstanding, this possible ruling, the Secretary may very well still be within her State granted powers to reject the hand counts not only based upon the rationale set forth in her earlier analysis, but ALSO, the lack of integrity than can be attributed to these hand count. By way of example, just because the Palm Beach Canvassing Board had made the incredulous and indisputably biased, ends oriented decision to counted dimpled or impregnated chads, does not mean the Secretary of State has to accept the same. IMHO, Palm Beach County's decision to include such votes only undermines the credibility of their results. As I stated here a couple of days ago, this election is OVER.

To: Carolyn who wrote (772)	11/17/2000 12:15:09 PM
From: margie	Respond to of 3887

Re: Will they appeal this? Maybe, maybe not. If they don't appeal this one, their next move may be to try to FIX THE ELECTORAL VOTE COUNT. They may not want to risk losing in the Court of Public Opinion; it's kind of hard to put a positive spin on this one. So they may even drop their efforts to "include their crooked recounts" tactic and concentrate on a behind the scene efforts to get two or three more electoral votes through whatever it takes. "The effort is already underway, and if Bush finally wins Florida and an electoral college majority while Vice President Gore maintains his lead in the popular vote, it will almost certainly intensify. As the electoral college count stands, with Bush narrowly ahead in Florida but trailing Gore in Oregon and New Mexico, the Republican nominee would win the presidency with 271 electoral votes, one more than necessary." washingtonpost.com "A switch of two Bush electors to Gore would create an electoral college tie, throwing the presidential election into the House of Representatives, where each state delegation would have one vote in determining the outcome. A switch of three Bush electors would make Gore the next president." "One battle-tested Democratic consultant has even begun a quiet intelligence-gathering operation that could aid a last-ditch Gore strategy in the Electoral College. Bob Beckel, who managed Walter Mondale's 1984 Democratic presidential campaign and has close ties to Mr. Christopher, has been checking into the background of Republican electors, with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore. If Mr. Bush eventually prevails in Florida but wins none other of the most closely contested states, he would have 271 electoral votes. Three GOP defections could make Mr. Gore president." "It is information gathering on my part, using my own network," Mr. Beckel said, confirming an operation he set in motion days after the Nov. 7 election. "I call on mostly Democrats, but some Republicans, too, and ask. 'Who are these electors, and what do you know about them?' I just wanted to know who these electors are." "Mr. Beckel, who owns a political-analysis business based in Arlington, Va., said he is working independently, "on an ad-hoc basis," and hasn't yet contacted any electors directly. "I wouldn't do that without first informing the Gore campaign," he said. The Gore camp itself has disavowed any intention of seeking to sway GOP electors." Is anyone stupid enough to believe they won't try to switch electoral votes? Ted Koppel, on ABC, asked Daley last night if he thought Gore would try to get some electors to change their vote. Daley looked shocked at first; but Koppel noted that Daley did not categorically deny it; Daley just said he didn't think he would. Aw shucks.... House Republicans are preparing ways to outsmart any efforts at efforts of Democrats to get electors to change their votes. Gore and Milosevic.....Just a few months ago, calling on the high moral principle of the will of the people, the US, including Vice President Gore, lead a world outcry when the Serbian thug Slobadan Milosevic questioned the results of his country's elections. Milosevic wanted to keep recounting too. I can't remember what Gore said specifically about Milosevic's tactics during one of the nationally televised debates. The Serbs were able to get Milosevic out of power. I hope Americans can do the same. "Larceny in plain view" Paul Craig Roberts November 17, 2000 "Elections have been stolen in the United States before, but never so publicly. This election is being stolen right in front of our eyes. The Party of No Shame (a k a the Democratic Party), firm in its conviction that its ends justify the means, is making a blatant grab for power." Instead of shouting, "Stop, thief," the media are helping Al Gore and William Daley steal the election. Goebbels-style propaganda has taken over from news. Americans have been fed the Big Lie that Democrats are simply trying to correct "irregularities" in Florida voting. But the only irregularities are the ones Democrats are committing." washtimes.com