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To: Ilaine who wrote (38880)	11/18/2000 7:14:27 PM
From: wsringeorgia	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

He was NOT a fellow traveler! That is another term from Europe between the world wars. And it is not that simple; China for example had a Marxist movement almost as old as in Russia. Even before his death the great Sun Yat Sen practically became a convert (and a Methodist!) Several of those other countries you list are Asian colonies overun by the Japs and the left there was the primary resistance against them. Broken promices on our part led to an opening to the Stalinist later on. The Americas is a whole different history and story. In a practical sense international communism died in the spring of 1927 with the crushing of the left Kumomintang in Hankow. That is when the Soviet Union turned inward and the cult of Stalin arose. That was the end of the expected international "red revolution" following the world war. WSR

To: Ilaine who wrote (38880)	11/18/2000 7:25:54 PM
From: KeepItSimple	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

So why exactly can people who don't pay taxes vote? I know the founding fathers declared that only landowners could vote, which was overturned, but how did the vote get extended to anyone with a pulse?

To: Ilaine who wrote (38880)	11/19/2000 12:37:24 AM
From: chic_hearne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

I didn't say that Henry Wallace was a Communist, just that he was hard left. He was a "fellow traveler." But I have to disagree that international Communism died with Trotsky. What about China, Korea, VietNam, Cambodia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mozambique, Angola, Grenada, El Salvador, Peru, I am starting to lose track. The Progressive Party wasn't Trotskyite, it was infiltrated by people loyal to Moscow. Why does Communism have to originate out of Russia? Why can't it just be a point of view that anyone could develop on their own? If you want to talk history of communism, why not go back to Machiavelli? (ha ha, had to pull Discourses off the bookshelf to even get close to spelling it correctly) IMHO, the origin (as far as I've read) starts with Machiavelli. The conclusions may be different, but the train of thought is the same. Unlike the Dems, think of the whole and not the single person. It's ruthless, but some have to be sacrificed for the good of the rest. This is fundamental, looking at reality versus looking at the way people seem to "wish" things were and have based current policy off of. We live in a country where many people believe it is possible that Alien Gonzalez's father was "brainwashed" in Cuba and came over here to get his son but the brainwashing was so incredible that he actually wanted to go back. I'm not suggesting in any way that I support communism, just that I wish our political system would get a little reality instead of hype when choosing policy. It may not be good for Alien to go back, but for the good of 250 million Americans and possibly 6 billion in the world, it was a hell of a good decision to send him back.