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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: JDN who wrote (81758)	11/19/2000 8:09:05 AM
From: Don Pueblo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

LOL! Excellent! The military vote thing is probably the single factor that will sway the majority of the public against Gore's tactics. JDN, you're a combat vet, you know about infiltration and destablization. If bigsablepoint were interested in arguing for Al, he would not be on this thread. bigsablepoint is interested only in attacking Bush and Bush's supporters. Anyone who steps back and looks at this can see clearly that this thread is a microcosm of this election. bigsablepoint is just a tool. As a matter of fact, he's not posted on any other thread on the site since he joined two weeks ago. The Democrats are used to this sort of game, they play it well and they have for many years. You can be sure that Gore will make a public statement within the next few days that will include statements about the sanctity of our military and how he served and how important the military vote is and how this has all been misinterpreted and the votes should count and yap yap yap. But the media has tape. They have documents. This will not go away. It could mean the end of the Gore nightmare. Like many other things he's said, and Daley has said, and this bigsablepoint mole says, Gore's next lie won't have much effect on someone who actually has to think for a living. Oh, one more thing: I predict that the Dems will use this military ballot thing to forward their own case for recounts! Yes, that's the way they work. It does not matter that Florida law allows those overseas ballots to simply be added to the first machine count, they were not "late" or anything else weird. Those military votes were just regular ordinary votes that came in and got erased by Al Gore. If anyone on this planet can prove that one of those votes, one single one of those votes, was tampered with by a Gore staff member, then this election is over and Al is done. I told him two weeks ago to let his winners run and cut his losers. If it smells like sh*t... Since you live in S. Florida, you know what the voting machine actually looks like and actually does. I've seen the machine too. Imagine counting a chad that is not a chad; it's still a piece of the card, because you've decided that the person that failed to vote actually meant to vote, and you know who he meant to vote for. It's astounding, is it not? BTW, please accept a belated Veteran's Day thanks. I appreciate it.

To: JDN who wrote (81758)	11/19/2000 1:14:31 PM
From: bigsablepoint	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Dear JDN, If I agree with you that military ballots should be counted whenever possible, how can you offer any assurance that, without postmarks, that the ballots weren't slipped into the pile. What prevents someone from slipping their ballot into the mail on November 8th. What prevents someone from walking right up to the ballot pile on November 10th and slipping a ballot into the pile? There isn't any to assure that this didn't happen, so it simply isn't freasble to include ballots without postmarks. That would be a clear invitation to fraud. With respect to "divining" as you call it, isn't that we do with every ballot? We take a ballot and look at marks that demonstrate the intent of the voter, otherwise known as a vote. In Texas, looking for dimples, pimples and any other mark that identifies a voter's intent is an acceptable vote. Bush signed this law, so he must have seen the merits in the process. Hand recounts are also preferred in Texas and hand counts are standard opertating procedure in areas that use punch ballots. There is nothing out of the oridinary with what is goung on in Florida. Now let me ask you a question. How do you explain Mrs. Harris's change of position on the counting of militray ballots? In past years, only ballots that were postmarked on or before the date of the election were counted. Mrs. Harris has instructed that the counties include ballots that were postmarked after the election as long as the absentee dated the ballot on or before the 7th. How can you offer any assurance that a ballot dated by the absentee himself complied with the law? Again, you cannot. Harris seems to have some Sadomasochistic desire to have the Florida S.Ct. spank her up and down the Florida coast. Mrs. Harris wears her partisanship on her sleeve, maybe she should just declare herself Queen of the Florida. Pathetic. Speaking of Mrs. Harris, the Republican counties have counted many ballots with no postmarks, contrary to the law that has been appled in Florida in all previous elections. This, by no means, is a point that will be lost on the Democratic lawyers. The Bush lead, considering the ballots that were illegally cast and counted in GOP strongholds, could amount to hundreds of votes. The Democrats will rightly challenge the GOP's selective application of Florida law.