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To: flatsville who wrote (39849)	11/21/2000 7:04:45 PM
From: IceShark	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Flats, can you take this social studies/government crap to another thread?

To: flatsville who wrote (39849)	11/21/2000 10:03:43 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

if you care ... take a child into your home if you care ... support an unwed mother in her decision to keep her baby if you care ... babysit a young mother's child so she can get counseling or just have a break if you care ... teach your children to live responsibly it is easy to be high-minded and moral with someone else's money or time. killing babies isn't the answer

To: flatsville who wrote (39849)	11/21/2000 11:11:20 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 436258

OT - When discussing personal responsibility, you omit the most important one of all - the responsibility of women not to exposing themselves to the risk of unwanted pregnancy by engage in intercourse with men who won't marry them. Fooling around before marriage is something people have always done - but it was before marriage. I realize this is an old fashioned point of view, but it works more often than not. Historical studies have shown that at least 25% of first born children in early America had to have been conceived before marriage. I know a lot of marriages like this, including several in my own extended family. My sister's father-in-law has told me that he knew of several in his extended family, and he is almost 80. So extramarital intercourse is nothing new. But our modern day "solutions" - abortion, adoption, foster care, illegitimacy - are unsatisfactory because ideally a child is raised in a family formed by the union of a man and a woman. How is that for a radical idea? Speaking of foster care, at least the state-run foster care, I have never seen a child in foster care whose parents were not almost completely dysfunctional, without the ability to 1) care for the child, or 2) let the child be adopted. The parents of foster care children are, invariably, drug addicts and/or incarcerated and/or unable to maintain a job and a fixed residence. Most people without a job can keep their kids by living in shelters. The people whose kids go into foster care can't even do that. Social workers don't want to put kids into foster care unless there is NO workable alternative.