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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: david james who wrote (7276)	11/23/2000 9:53:31 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10042

Both candidates want to win...badly. And their supporters (on both sides) are little zealot puppets. The only people who are moderate are people who haven't bought into either candidate- and there are a lot of people like that around. They just don't post on SI. Perhaps they have lives. And what's with Bush's running mate an all the heart attacks? Why wasn't that more of an issue? I'll be amazed if the man lives 4 years. The heart attack saga was downright weird. He hasn't, no he has, well he HAS but it was a tiny one. Only in America....

To: david james who wrote (7276)	11/23/2000 10:10:42 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

I see a lot of Bush supporters writing as if they think it should be obvious that Gore is at fault. Well, I would think that would be a pretty good analysis. After all, it is HIS TEAM that is only willing to manually recount specific heavily democratic counties who he complains were "disinfranchised" by these confusing ballots (chosen by a democrat). And the fact that the canvassing boards of these counties are also democratically controlled, provide further evidence of bias and manipulation. Mr. Gore could care less about Duval county though. Those voters weren't part of his original demand for a recount. And demanding that the rules be changed in those 3 counties, but not in every other one, is just the height of hypocrisy, despite the fact that all three counties already carried him as the winner. If he had been a loser in any of those counties, I could see him protesting and demanding a recount. But he's protesting the quantity of votes in those few counties in order to discriminate against the rest of the state of Florida. (take a look at the make-up of the Florida legislature if you doubt which party represents the majority of the state). The facts are that in every election votes are disqualified. Palm Beach has a record of being VERY arbitrary with their standards for manual recounts. They denied a black female republican a manual recount despite the fact that she lost by a mere 11 votes. However, they permit Gore to receive one even though he carried their county. The Florida state legislature has the authority to appoint the state's electors, thereby nullifying all of these recounts, should this process endanger Florida being represented in the college. And given the number of lawsuits flipping back and forth, they may just have to call an emergency session and do so. I don't personally believe Bush would have a problem with manual recounts were there an actual standard being followed, and were they occurring in all counties that show similar "confusion" with invalidated ballots. Duval County had a 9% invalidation rate in this election and normally votes 59% republican (according to reports). Now if the democrats want to "take up the cross" to find the true will of the people, I would suggest they start there. Regards, Ron

To: david james who wrote (7276)	11/24/2000 7:44:41 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

So many people seem to be incapable of understanding what the view looks like from the other side. Maybe it's not "incapable." Maybe they're just so intent on expressing themselves that they don't care how their messages are received or they only care about that part of the audience that intuitively agrees with them. It seems to me that if one feels so strongly about something, one would want to convert others to one's point of view. Just repeating the same slogans over and over and louder and louder isn't going to change anyone's mind. Converting other requires an understanding of how the others look at things and then framing your message to resonate with them. On second though, maybe "incapable" is it after all. Karen