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To: Dan3 who wrote (119322)	11/26/2000 11:34:18 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

Alibi Dan - Re: "I stand behind those posts. AMD may delay putting its .13 process in to volume production, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have one that could be implemented quickly. " First you claim AMD was going into production NEXT MONTH with a 0.13 micron process. Then, when it turned out your source of information was WRONG, you claimed you NEVER made such an assertion !! And now, you claim AMD CAN go into production NEXT MONTh with their 0.13 micron process. Well, Danny Boy, you sure are a slippery little sleaze, aren't you? Paul

To: Dan3 who wrote (119322)	11/26/2000 11:40:15 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Alibi-Dan - Re: "From statements they've made, I've postulated that their yields on .13 aren't as good as they expect to have after they've tuned their cleaning and polishing process. " Oh - changing your story again, Slick Willy ? Look what you just said YESTERDAY : Moving from .18 to .13 on AMD's tools requires only new reticules (and masks). Just a reticle change, eh Monica ? Oh... but today, there are "cleaning and polishing issues" !!! What a hoot !! A new day, a new story - from Lewinsky-Dan, our BlowHard Man !! Paul {=================================} To: Joseph Pareti who wrote (119106) From: Dan3 Friday, Nov 24, 2000 9:56 AM ET Reply # 119108 of 119137 Re: Is this the latest, Jerry-style, joke? The ASM tools used by AMD achieve .13 using 243nm lasers - which AMD has been installing at Dresden from the beginning. And AMD has a full year of production experience using copper interconnects. Moving from .18 to .13 on AMD's tools requires only new reticules (and masks). Intel's process for .13 requires 193 nm tools that are only now being shipped to Intel. It also requires a shift to copper interconnects with which Intel has zero production experience. Remember that it takes about a half year between shipment of the tools and the beginning of production runs. Then it's 2 to 3 more months before product is available for sale. Add to that delay the fact that IBM, Motorola, and AMD all had 6 month to 1 year delays when they moved from aluminum interconnects to copper. The Athlon core is half the size of the P4 core. At .13 AMD gets twice the output per cm2 as Intel gets from its .18 process. That means AMD's Dresden FAB could produce up to 4 times as many Athlons in one FAB as Intel can produce P4s in 4 FABs. Dan