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To: Amy J who wrote (120081)	12/1/2000 12:37:51 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy, <<<Sweeping generalizations projected onto 49% of the entire population (by either camp) just doesn't interest me. It's not a good basis for a seriously interesting and educational debate. >>> Welcome back. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. I have you PeopleMarked and you are always the first posts I read. But, you have to remember, very few people have your intellectual capabilities and even fewer can keep up with you. Don't get discouraged - there is something about suffering fools gladly.... In any case, no one has asked, but I am going to give my opinion on the Presidential elections: There is no doubt that Al Gore won the popular vote. There is also no doubt that Al Gore won Florida - and there is a big if - if you go by the definition the "Will of the people". I believe that the exit polls were accurate in assessing the intent of the voters going into and coming out of the polling booths but that the mechanism for counting and registering the votes were flawed. Having said that however, there is a legal definition of who won in Florida - and by that defintion - (unless something else surfaces) - Gov. Bush appears to have won the election. If the current scenario holds, I believe Al Gore should concede and George W. Bush should accept Gore's concession and acknowledge the circumstances that he won. He should state that he has won on a technicality and state further that it is the only way that a government can function. The sports analogy would be that in baseball, umpires make judgements - although they could be wrong - the judgements are part of the game. The umpires call can be reviewed on tape and be judged wrong - but the decision stand and the outcome of the game is not changed. Baseball officials can than improve the calibre of Umpires for the future - but the decisions made stand. In the same way, we should recognise that voting mechanism are currently flawed and need to be modernised and improved. There is no other way out of this mess. Everyone has to recognise what has happened. Otherwise the emotions and the emotional manipulations are just too expensive for our society. Regards, Mary

To: Amy J who wrote (120081)	12/1/2000 1:53:13 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy, I just listened to the US Supreme court arguments. Very interesting. It looks like a split decision (to me), with at least Scalia on the Bush side and at least Kennedy on the Gore side. I have no idea how it will turn out, but if I had to handicap I would put the odds slightly in favor of Gore, based on the US court not wanting to inject itself in Florida's business, states rights and all that. John

To: Amy J who wrote (120081)	12/1/2000 3:10:16 PM
From: ratan lal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Cool Post. I will have to go to the CNN site to read up on the applicable laws. In general, the states should be given all the powers unless the constitutionally protected rights of an individual are affected. In this case, if I remember correctly, Bush filed a complaint in the US SC pleading the 14th amendment of equal rights under the law (from what I remember. I may be getting confused listening to so much stuff) which is a constutuional guarantee. I am not sure about the power and authority fo SOS and whether that can be challenged in the courts. Perhaps you can expand on this aspect. My understanding is that anyone and anything can be challenged in the courts. Of course the suits can be dismissed if the courts determine that they do not have the authority to hear such a case. I believe the judge in Palm county did just that by saying that he did not have teh auhtority to call for a revote because of the butterfly vote problems. Thanks for an unbiased and educational post.