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To: Investor2 who wrote (32183)	12/2/2000 11:03:41 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Like I said, My own personal belief. As a father of 2 sons that are adults now, I see God as a Father to all of us. After all, Jesus said believe as a child if you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven or whoever leads one of these small ones astray it would be better if a millstone was placed around his neck and drowned. Don't you think God has a special love for a little child who believes anything he or she is told? An earthly father would never permit his child to suffer hellfire and a heavenly father, being perfect love would not stoop to such heathen behavior as to punish a small child. If that were true, I could not place my trust to such a monster that could do that. Santiago

To: Investor2 who wrote (32183)	12/3/2000 11:27:28 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

I2, Good morning, I hope you don't mind if I add my 2 cents in on this subject. You are correct that there is no special addendum in the Bible exonerating two year old children from the prospects of eternal damnation. However, do you really think it is either fair or loving for a two year old child, that has no control whatsoever over what direction their life has taken, to spend an eternity being tortured by demons because Adam ate an apple in the garden of Eden? Imagine a small child, have their soul endlessly being tortured and abused, receiving agony and pain greater than anything they could ever experience at the hands of any earthly criminal, rapist or child abuser. Having this pain and agony inflicted upon their immortal soul unceasingly for an eternity, not because of anything they did or did not do (after we are talking about a small child, a baby unable to influence the events of it's life) But because Adam, someone they don't know, they never met, and are only distantly related to in the minutest sense of the word, ate an Apple and disobeyed God. For that, the infant must be tortured for an eternity? Don't quote the Bible, but in your own words, tell me how that is remotely fair, or even remotely has any resemblance to Justice? Then tell me how God, with any option, any conceivable outcome available to him, picks this outcome as the highest good and best available option? In effect, it the same as saying, that God believes the best and fairest outcome for that defenseless two year old is not rehabilitation of it's soul, is not love, not anything other than eternal torture and damnation. torture and damnation, not for a crime, not for hurting anyone, not for anything that it did or didn't do of it's own volition. This is one of the reasons that I personally have never been able to fully understand Christianity. I am not raising this question as an attack on your beliefs, or as affront to Christianity, or even to get you to change your belief system. I am asking because I sincerely want to know beleivers feel about these issues. If it is something they ever consider or ponder about, and if they don't, why not? Mark