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Politics : Electoral College 2000 - Ahead of the Curve -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4945)	12/5/2000 11:17:30 PM
From: TraderGreg	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6710

Ray--They lost every spin battle they ever engaged in with Clinton...every single one. His biggest enemy in the Congress is no longer Speaker and no longer in Congress as an example. But here my friend, they definitely have won the spin war. They have managed to convince a majority of the population that a ballot that passes thru a machine without registering a vote has been definitively counted in the state of FL. That same ballot in the state of NM however has not been counted. That same ballot in the state of TX however has also not been counted. But in FL, it has. They have refused to accept a statewide recount in FL and then have simultaneously stated that no manual recount is valid unless it is state wide...and there too they have managed to convince the majority of Americans that that is a valid argument. They have enforced a strict timeline on vote submissions and managed to interpret it as the ability to not only reject those counts submitted two hours late but also reject all that were completed within the 5pm deadline in PB county...and have convinced the majority of Americans that that too is valid. However, they want the guidelines lax when it comes to the Seminole absentee ballot issue and their SoS gladly added in ballots that were hand counted for Bush in other counties. Often times, you will find a people are deserving of a leadership acumen no greater than the people's own limitations...kind of a morph on the Peter Principle. Every now and then, through no skill on their part, they somehow manage to violate this principle...but not this time. W is precisely what the populace wants right now...even many of those who voted for Gore. TG

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4945)	12/6/2000 4:34:28 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 6710

I appreciate your correcting my memory of what Mr. Welch said, but it wasn't necessary to suggest that my reading is confined to the Drudge Report, the Washington Times, and the Las Vegas Sun (never actually heard of that). For news mostly I read the Washington Post and the New York Times, and my faulty memory is my own fault. As for mischaracterizing what you think about Bush, I see that it could be interpreted as my saying that you thought that Gore wasn't fit to govern, but that was poor sentence construction. I do think that the events of the past few weeks have shown that Gore is unfit to govern. After watching what transpired in Judge Clark's courtroom last night, at least now I know for a fact that when any Gore supporter says, "we just want all the votes to be counted," that is an outright lie. You can pretend that Gore isn't behind it, but that, too, is a lie. Just as the pretense that Gore had nothing to do with the timing of the release of George W. Bushs' old DWI is an outright lie. All the pretty words we were taught about democracy and patriotism and our nation are just words that make speeches sound nicer. The flag is a prop. Gore doesn't give - - - I am not going to use crude words - - - he simply does not care about the votes in Seminole County and Martin County that were cast by perfectly innocent voters. He is asking in Seminole County to throw out 15,000 absentee ballots. At most, 2000 applications for absentee ballots had their ID numbers written in. So Gore wants to disenfranchise more voters than you say Bush does, and we haven't even thrown Martin County into the equation because I don't know the facts. As for the argument that the Democrats were treated differently than the Republicans - the Republicans cared enough to go to the Elections Board and take it upon themselves to find out what was going on. The Election Board didn't call them up preferentially. It's just another lie.