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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (104817)	12/7/2000 7:56:39 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

The Voice of Reason is not good news for the Head Goron Judge questions whether voters should be penalized in Seminole, Martin absentee case By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Web-posted: 10:53 a.m. Dec. 7, 2000 Updated at 7:19 p.m. Thursday TALLAHASSEE -- Two legal threats to the validity of 25,000 absentee ballots and George W. Bush's paper-thin lead over Al Gore neared rulings Thursday as one judge expressed her reluctance to toss out any votes. ``Why should I not find there was substantial compliance by the voters and accept their vote?'' Leon County Circuit Judge Nikki Clark asked Democratic lawyer Gerald Richman during closing arguments in the case from Seminole County. At another moment, Clark read part of the election law aloud and said it seemed to say that the failure of election workers to comply with portions of the law did not necessarily nullify the votes. ``If the canvassers can tell the intent of the voter, why should the vote not count?'' she asked. Clark wanted to know why voters who did nothing wrong should be penalized because election officials allowed Republican operatives to correct some absentee ballot applications by inserting voter ID numbers that were missing due to a computer error. As the trial ended, she promised a written ruling, strictly according to the edict of the law, noting, ``My job is not to send a message.'' Democrats are seeking to invalidate 15,000 votes in Seminole County. A similar lawsuit alleged 10,000 absentee votes in Martin County were spoiled, too. Voter ID numbers were left off many applications through computer errors in Seminole County and incorrect numbers were put on forms in Martin County. Florida law says ballot applications may not be mailed out without the correct identification numbers. Bush won the absentee balloting by 4,797 votes in Seminole and by 2,815 votes in Martin. Both lawsuits have taken on added significance because they can change the election result and because they represent one last hope for Gore if the Florida Supreme Court rules against him on the issue of manual recounts. Gore is not a party in either lawsuit. Richman said the legal history of similar court cases required the judge to nullify the votes. ``They took a public office and turned it into an agent or an arm of one political party,'' he said. Terry Young, attorney for the Seminole County election supervisor, disagreed, saying it would be wrong to ``statistically silence'' 15,000 voters. ``Whether it's 15,000 or one, those people have a right to be heard,'' he said. Young said it was no coincidence that Democrats were creating a way to come up with just the right number of votes to overcome Bush's certified 537-vote lead statewide. ``There is no doubt that what is at the heart of this case is politics,'' he said. Just prior to the closings in the Seminole case, Judge Terry P. Lewis heard closing arguments in the Martin County case in the same courthouse. He predicted he would rule by noon Friday. Edward Stafman, attorney for the Martin County challengers, also said case law in similar cases commands ``throwing out all of the absentee ballots.'' As an alternative, he suggested Lewis order that 673 of the 10,000 votes be tossed out, representing the number of ballot applications corrected by the Republicans. Bush lawyer Daryl Bristow said throwing out any votes would be wrong because each voter supplied correct registration information. ``There were six ways until Sunday for the supervisor to find out this was the right person,'' he said. Bristow said no vote should be tossed out for a ``hypertechnical computer glitch fix.''

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (104817)	12/7/2000 9:59:57 PM
From: Dave Gore	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 769667

Papaya, are all Republicans like you? Where are the family values of fairness and integrity and open-mindedness that supposedly so many Republicans stand for. I am just amazed at the perponderance of one-sided, hypocritical, close-minded pro-Bush people on this thread. It's almost like you guys and gals are so defensive because you know that Bush probably lost and will have been proven to have lost some day. Is that it? I'm stumped. I know there are some intelligent, fair-minded, and articulate people on both sides of the aisle, but I haven't found one Bush supporter yet that seems to be fair and reasonable and non-confrontational in his/her views. Incredible! If someone will speak intelligently and reasonably and calmly, I'll be happy to listen.