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To: slacker711 who wrote (89596)	12/8/2000 5:53:48 PM
From: Bux	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Slacker, I understand your concern that hand counting could increase the subjectivity of the count but it is my impression that the canvassing boards are doing a commendable job of counting the votes and those votes that can not be read with reasonable certainty are not counted anyway. The three counter system has been tried and tested many times and is the best we have. It is certainly better than ignoring the votes that, for whatever reason, didn't register when they went through the card reader. Many of the undervote are merely hanging chads that have a 50% chance (or greater) of hanging closed when they run through the machine. Bux

To: slacker711 who wrote (89596)	12/8/2000 6:12:31 PM
From: ggamer	Respond to of 152472

OTOTOTOTOTOT I am sorry This is a good one! > Regardless of your Political Preferences...While we are completely > absorbed > in the election turmoil in Florida, others around the world have a > startlingly different take on the situation. > Consider ten observations of a politician from Zimbabwe; > > 1) Imagine that we read of an election occurring anywhere in the third > world in which the self-declared winner was the son of a former prime > minister and that former prime minister was also himself the former head > of > that country's secret police. > > > 2) Imagine that the self-declared winner lost the popular vote but won > the election anyway based on some archaic holdover from that country's > distant past > > > 3) Imagine that the self-declared winner's victory depended entirely on > disputed votes cast in a province which was governed by the self-declared > winner's own brother. > > 4) Imagine that the poorly drafted ballots of one district, a district > heavily favoring the self-declared winner's opponent, led thousands of > voters to vote for the wrong candidate. > > 5) Imagine that members of that nation's most-despised caste, fearing > fro their lives/livelihoods, tuned out in record numbers to vote in near > universal opposition to the self-declared winner's candidacy. > > > 6) Imagine that hundreds of members of that most-despised caste were > intercepted on their way to the polls by state police operating under the > authority of the self-declared winner's brother. > > 7) Imagine that six million people voted in the disputed province and > that the self-declared winner's "lead" was fewer than 900 votes or fifteen > ONE > THOUSANDTHS OF ONE PER CENT. Far fewer, certainly, than the voting > machines' margin of error. > > 8) Imagine that the self-declared winner and his party opposed a more > careful hand inspection and recount of the ballots in the disputed > province > or in its most hotly disputed district > > > 9) Imagine that the self-declared winner was himself the governor of a > province which had the worst human rights record of the entire nation and > actually led all other provinces in executions. > > > 10) Imagine that a major campaign promise of the self-declared winner > was to appoint like-minded individuals to lifetime appointments to the > highest tribunal in that nation. > > And then try to imagine that this is not some Third World > dictatorship but Florida and the United States of America. > Frightening, isn't it?

To: slacker711 who wrote (89596)	12/9/2000 3:09:10 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Unfortunately, I dont think that there will ever be a "correct" count. The results are within the margin of error of whatever counting mechanism you would like to use. A point of view both correct and not often enough expressed. The people responsible for this unsightly mess are not the voters, the canvassing boards, the good people or the courts of FL...the people responsible for this are George Dubya and Mr Internet and their respective parties for doing such a crappy job in presenting real, useful choices to the American public. If either candidate was worth the paper he wipes with the election wouldn't have been close enough for any of this too matter.