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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Math Junkie who wrote (8632)	12/9/2000 6:11:52 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

Actually, Gore offered Bush the notion of a full statewide recount, but Bush refused the idea as nonsense..... GZ

To: Math Junkie who wrote (8632)	12/9/2000 7:02:33 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

I guess I did imply you sought the middle, but I don't know such and so take any implication in my words back, intended or not. Re: "For example, they have talked about manual recounts as if they were some kind of Al Gore invention, when they are specified in Florida law as a remedy, and in fact are used all over the nation." I think the bolded above is a stretch and a half, because the manual re-counts, specifically as sought and attained by Al Gore, are indeed wholly un-precedented, unintended, and in fact un-specified in Fla.law- even downright un-american, IMO. In short, no hand-recounts resulting in territorial counting advantages have been "used all over the nation." Yesterday's FSC action was the first hand-count order in this case to date that is even remotely comparable to their proper use. "They have referred to them as necessarily flawed, when vote counting machine manufacturers say that the results need to be obtained by hand in very close elections." Yes, and an inventor involved testified to that, and also to the fact that dimples can appear for various reasons and shouldn't be counted. Certainly they don't have to be necessarily flawed, and you may win that strict point taken alone, yet in this real case in Fla., watching Local boards fight to include them, and in Broward successfully so, is certainly nothing known to be favored by the manufacturers. "They have claimed over and over that the votes have been counted three times, when in fact the third recount has never been completed." The uncompleted third count was an uncompleted count of strictly partisan territory, was it not? Hence it would have been incomplete even if it were "completed" as it existed. To the extent that its results were included, it only added to a Gore territorial counting advantage coming after the original deadlines set by the legislature. I don't believe we should be extending deadlines for the inclusion of plainly partisan counting advantages such as, now that I think of it, even the FSC self-contradictorily, now seems to recognize as such. So we know, as you say, what the fair way would be, despite the FSC's original decision to extend a deadline to include an unfairness. I just maintain it's plain that the actions of Gore are plainly reprehensible, and are themselves the main source any inkling anyone has that Bush has come even close to such bad behavior. I conclude that you are too hard on Mr. Bush, and seem to have bought a Gore introduced fallacy or two, in order to be so. Respectfully, Dan B