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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (23748)	12/10/2000 12:03:30 AM
From: abstract	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

i am not sure how this can be resolved better than it already has been. (is it really over?) I think we have a lot of mistakes here - the florida supreme court clearly blew it yesterday with their partisan antics. the US supreme court blew it today - heretofore they had maintained a modicum of decorum - standing above the fray - now they've just stepped in the same crap as everyone else. they are several things that i think people here fail to realize: 1. both political parties and both presidential candidates are guilty of the same tactics, selfish egocentric, narrowminded, win at all costs mentality. Because someone favors or promotes a candidate does not alter the the cut of the cloth - Lord Acton: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." 2. florida has been the anticipated battleground for at least 3 years. Read the Clinton interview in Esquire. This isn't an accidental tie that just happened. Both parties knew that the election would likely be decided here and both parties poured pork belly money and legislation into florida - look at the posturing around elian - i don't know enough to tell how else florida benefitted from the magnanimity of the government and political parties, but i'll betcha a plug nickel that more babies got kissed and more hands shook in florida than in any other state. last night i wrote about my nervousness with the florida supreme court's actions. i am relieved that the US supreme court acted even though i feel certain it was a huge mistake for it to do so. i think most americans feel bush deserved the presidency and i feel that there was not a way a gore victory could have been accepted by more than a third of the country - even though i think gore really did win the election, nationally and in florida too. these guys are playing a high stakes game and got caught in their own rhetoric. i think - if the clock just runs out - that we will be okay with this solution - i think it is not a good conclusion - but there was no way we were going to have a good conclusion. this one is okay - it resonates with what i perceive most americans think should be given the mess that got created. i see mistakes at many levels - i see the peter principle in affect big time and i see genuine caring conscientious judges (lewis, clark, sauls) doing the best they can - but to be thrust from the likes of divorce court to the national scene has got to quicken one's pulse a bit and a half and while trying to do one's best encourages mistake making - like clark getting everything right last night until he said there would not be a standard for counting ballots - oops i am digressing the situation is okay - american survived - there are no victors.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (23748)	12/10/2000 12:54:04 AM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 65232

Perhaps you can take some solace in the fact that the clock ran out because GORE requested, and received, an extension from the FL Extremes, which allowed less time for the contest phase. That was Gore's own fault. He knew of the ultimate deadline. But, more importantly, the US Supremes have been sitting back here for awhile, watching things on the ground in Tallahassee, and taking notes. Their move today was not rash, reactionary, or without having played out the different scenarios. They are EXTREMELY smart people. Sure, there's some disagreement, but the majority decided it was time to step in and break up the dogfight before somebody -- namely we and our system -- gets seriously hurt. I think five of them feel very comfortable with the conclusion that what's going on in Florida is a material change of the rules after the game, and needed to be put to an end before an illegitimate, unlawful process was carried through to an improper conclusion that would have to be overturned anyway, further clouding the legitimacy of the next president. Thoughts?