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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 11:22:44 AM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 769667

Well, I for one have stated that each side is hip deep in hypocrisy but I don't grant that Bush would be arguing the same things as Gore. He's forgone recount opportunities in other states like IA and NM. Interesting point about the ultimate harm. I am afraid have to agree. Thanks for the analysis. JLA

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 12:16:44 PM
From: D. Chapman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

nice GSTRF

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 1:10:41 PM
From: Nichols	Respond to of 769667

You are my hero.

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 3:47:48 PM
From: Mr. Adrenaline	Respond to of 769667

Let's first acknowledge the hypocrisy of both sides; were the situation transposed, Bush would be arguing for recounts and Gore the reverse...such is sadly a rather profound comment on the character, or absence thereof, of American politics. Ah ha! There's the rub! Well said! Me thinks that the only fair resolution, since the Florida vote is a statistical tie, is to machine recount every vote until a nice Gaussian distribution is evident, and then take the mean. Naaahhhh. That would be too scientific. Let's let partisan politics decide vicariously through the US Supreme Court. Mr A

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 9:22:21 PM
From: myadd	Respond to of 769667

"The tragedy here is not about who becomes President; sadly, the real world differences between Bush and Gore are hardly worth the print expended to excoriate them." One word...TAXES!!!!!

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 9:55:59 PM
From: Selectric II	Respond to of 769667

Now that you've reappeared, please share your thoughts on gstrf.

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/11/2000 11:18:51 PM
From: Blaine K	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<Let's first acknowledge the hypocrisy of both sides; were the situation transposed, Bush would be arguing for recounts and Gore the reverse...such is sadly a rather profound comment on the character, or absence thereof, of American politics.> Sorry, Mr Powers, but such an assertion of moral symmetry in the absence of proof is absurd. Would you kindly point to a Republican presidential candidate who has contested a close election in court? You can't? Well I can name two who refused to do so, Nixon and Ford. That Gore doesn't measure up to either seems self-evident. I expect George W. Bush would measure up, but I won't ask you to "acknowledge" this, since I have no proof. I would point out that he refused to use his influence as a much younger man to try and beat a DUI, and instead took his medicine like a man. Gore won't, and clearly is NOT the moral equivalent of Bush. On this point I submit that you have no case. It seems to me it is easier to predict the behavior of GOP elephants than of Globalstar Service Provider elephants, although I hope you ultimately can prove me wrong on the latter. Blaine K

To: Gregg Powers who wrote (110418)	12/12/2000 3:54:15 AM
From: DukeCrow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I agree wholeheartedly with you that both candidates are hypocrites. As much as I want Bush to win, I'm disgusted by his (and Gore's) behavior. In regards to Equal Protection, that can be argued both ways. What about the fact that voters in poorer counties had inferior voting systems with higher error rates which caused more of their votes to go uncounted (thrown out) than those upper middle class counties with more expensive and less error-prone equipment? A compelling argument could be made that a handcount is the only way to give those voters in the poorer counties Equal Protection. The point is that convincing arguments can be made on both sides, and the decisions of the courts are falling along ideological lines. No one can claim that they are taking the high ground; both men are trying to get power by any means necessary -- but within the law, of course. I truly hope that the US Supreme Court orders the recount to continue, but that the entire count be done in Tallahassee. The only way to get a uniform count across the state is for the entire count to take place under the watch of one supervisory body; then their standard would apply to all the votes being counted. If the court tells all the canvassing boards how to determine the clear intent of the voter, that would be tantamount to the court writing law. Therefore, you have to take the counting out of the hands of the canvassing boards. It is also possible that Bush voters in the Panhandle didn't bother to go to the polls after the networks called the state for Gore. One would hope people would want to vote for their local and state elections/issues, so I have no pity for those who went home when the media/VNS called Florida for Gore. Also, voter rights, equal protection, etc. only applies to those who actually vote, unless they were systematically prevented from getting to the polls. Ali