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To: Charles R who wrote (22695)	12/17/2000 4:35:07 PM
From: minnow68	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Charles, You wrote "one should not miss the fact that P4 is sucking wind on benmchmarks" I was stunned at how badly the P4 has done on general benchmarks. Before the P4 came out, I thought I might actually be able to use one for my horse racing research (I use regression extensively). The Mersenne Prime software is similar to mine in terms of bandwidth requirements and floating point usage. Those benchmarks show that the P4 would need about an 85% clock speed advantage over the Athlon just to match the Athlon in my application. That is an astonishing ratio. That means a 3.0 Ghz P4 would not be as fast as a 1.7 Ghz Athlon for my purposes. Wow. Mike

To: Charles R who wrote (22695)	12/18/2000 6:29:12 PM
From: semiconeng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I have been one of those guys who gives P4 a lot of credit for sellability for MHz. But before you get too far on scalability one should not miss the fact that P4 is sucking wind on benmchmarks. It is not clear P4 is going to have advantage on mainstream benchmarks for any time in the near future. P4 has a nice SSE engine but all the promise of software advances to come wouldn't stop it from getting lousy reviews, don't you think? ----- Of course it sucks wind on CURRENT Benchmarks. Any new chip that comes out takes time to optimize. Perhaps you haven't been reading Tom's lately: tomshardware.com In the software situation right now there's not much speaking for Pentium 4. However, this could change significantly looking in the close future. It puts me in the difficult 'recount'-situation. I've got two choices. Condemn Pentium 4 and you might find out that it is the price/performance winner in a few months time. Praise it and face the anger of people who are disappointed with its bad performance in their common today-applications. -----You must have missed all my talk about looking to the future. :-) Prey, can you tell me when the Intel IA-64 beast will see production? And how do you define something is way ahead when the part is not even in production and when the tapeout for the next generation part is not even in Intel's control? -----Ummmmmm I hate to break this to all those that are wishing bad things for intel, but Merced has been in production ramp at Chandler Az's Fab12, and Israel's Fab18 for quite some time. There will be PLENTY available upon launch, which has been widely reported as Q2. How do I know....? I just do. Ask Scumbria, or Jim McMannius, or Tony Viola, or Elmer how I know........ True. But why the double standard. You know Itanium is nothing more than an announced part with uncertain production time table but that didn't stop you from spouting IA-64 is ahead. Did it? -----Sorry, but your assumtion about Itanium is incorrect. I would let your assumption about my lack knowledge of Itanium slide if you were not around the last time just before I left, but i recall you were. There was quite a bit of discussion about my knowledge about intel, and quite a bit of speculation as to why I left. I don't think I need to prove to others, that I know from whence I speak. Both companies are looking forward ... to a part that can be "produced". Has it even occurred to you that Itanium, when released, will be a limited edition loss leader for Intel? Any idea how many IA-64 systems need to be in the market for Intel to even get close to break-even on this project? Any idea, what time frame such an event will occur. -----Let's see, to answer you questions... Yes It's occured to me that it will be a limited part, but the numbers far exceed that. Yes, I know EXACTLY how many need to be produced to to make itr break even, do you?? And yes, I'm aware of the time frame involved. I HAVE to be aware. Sorry, unable to share. 5th Amendment. Once again semiconeng showsup when things start to look good for Intel. Only to leave when things don't pan out for his wishes. Who can forget your bravado about the 1.13G PIII launch and your disapperance from the thread on its recall -----Not that I need to explain myself to you, but just for your information, I HAD to leave, because I was in transition from what I WAS doing, to what I'm doing now, and by the way, I'm taking a chance even coming back. I wish you would stick to an area that you know, like process, and look good. Chuck -----Fine, I thought this was a place where people could express their viewpoint. Far be it for me to stay somewhere, where I'm not wanted. Get your "inside" information somewhere else Mr. Insult. I'm outta here.......... Semi