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To: Bilow who wrote (63277)	12/21/2000 3:28:09 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93625

Hi all; Here's a typical sequence of posts from a year ago on this thread involving Steve Lee's expertise in the memory industry: richard surckla, Nov 21, 1999 It is my understanding that Nintendo's present system uses RDRAM for it's memory. Nintendo's next system (Dolphin) has not yet announced the memory it will use other than the system memory will be High Speed DRAM Technology with Memory Bandwidth -- 3.2 GB / second. Is my information old and you have something new? #reply-12032167 Bilow, Nov 21, 1999 Yeah, your information is out of date. Rambus lost out to a combination of two kinds of memory, DDR II (sort of), and embedded. #reply-12033360 [Link:] techweb.com Steve Lee, Nov 28, 1999 Note the word "presumably" that this article from EETimes uses. All the NEC guy said was "an application specific memory". The bit about DDR was an EETimes comment. EETimes does not like Intel and I do not consider them to be a reliable source. I have seen no information as to whether Rambus will or will not appear in the Dolphin. I haven't seen any proof that it won't be. Please let me know if you have any. #reply-12127262 Bilow, Nov 28, 1999 Rambus is not an application specific memory, it is a general memory. This is a term well understood in the industry. The reason for the "presumably" is that the implication of an application specific, high bandwidth memory for late 2000 is the use of DDR-II, as that is what is winning current designs. #reply-12127413 Steve's post is typical hype. He doesn't consider EE-Times to be a reliable source. He waits for "proof" before admitting to a Rambus defeat, but jumps all over fake Rambus press releases (like when they announced 1Q00 that Micron was going into mass production on RDRAM). Heck, if EE-Times publishes an article saying that RDRAM is out of the Nintendo Dolphin, and neither Nintendo nor Rambus issue any response, what kind of proof do we need here? Does anyone seriously believe that Rambus is going to issue a Press Release announcing the loss of a design win? More recent news re RDRAM and Dolphin: Oct 29, 2000 The Mac's next memory? By David Read, Macweek.com ... "DDR RAM is very similar to existing SDRAM," said one hardware developer who requested anonymity. "The chipsets are available and could easily be worked into the Mac's UniNorth controller." As for Rambus: "It would make little sense to pay for a complex proprietary memory design that has not tested well and that Apple is unfamiliar with," he said. "DDR RAM is the low-hanging fruit and would be an inexpensive performance boost for Apple's next systems." ... Intel is supporting Rambus by including it on some of its high-end motherboards. Rambus is also included in Sony's new PlayStation 2. However, Nintendo backed out of an earlier deal to use RDRAM on the Dolphin, its next generation console. ... macweek.zdnet.com If anybody out there still thinks that Dolphin uses RDRAM, please inform, I'd love to put some references up... -- Carl

To: Bilow who wrote (63277)	12/21/2000 4:51:13 PM
From: Jdaasoc	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93625

carl: that didn't seem to stop Nvidia, Microsoft or Nintendo from designing the stuff in. That reminds me the Xbox was supposted to have 733 MHz P3 as CPU. Intel just KOed all existing P3 chips from the roadmap this month. So XBox is back to the drawing boards in terms of what type of CPU it will use when it comes out in 9-10 months. Honestly I haven't heard any additional details about Nitendo Dolphin in ages either. Intel tried to bring Timna out with SDRAM instead of RDRAM, and then finally gave up on it completely? VIA's Samuel II on 0.13 mu process looks like a $30-40 integrated CPU/video controller/Southbridge configuration which Intel couldn't produce something comparable for a profit for at least double the price. For Intel now, It's "P4, party on dude" until further notice. Happy holidays to you john

To: Bilow who wrote (63277)	12/21/2000 6:31:28 PM
From: Steve Lee	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 93625

Wrong again, the point of the post was not to comment on the granularity advantages of RDRAM, but to comment on how to extrapolate DRAM chips into DIMMs. Wish I had time to post in depth while my boss pays, but my time is my own so you have the last word on the other stuff. Suffice to say you are digging up posts from more than a year ago eg with Nintendo. At the time of the post, nobody knew what memory they were gonna use, and now you criticise me for pointing out your deceit on this subject back then, trying to pass rumours off as fact. I don't know what the situation is with Nintendo as I haven't followed it. Do you know? Why don't you post what you claim to know rather than just asking others to claim that Nintendo will not use Rambus?