To: SGJ who wrote (5368 ) 12/23/2000 8:45:01 AM From: Solon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 28931 Isn't time a standard for motion, a type of relationship. If so then we just observe the metaphysical. How can time be contaminated by man? We haven't devised a way to augment the Earth's rotation around the sun....yet. I look at it in a couple of ways: Firstly, as the (more or less) objective measurement of motion relative to the uniform motion of energy; And secondly, our subjective interpretation or perception of change. Movement is change, but in the mental realm we have learned to compare change by boxing the changes into the containers called past, present, and future. I do not know why we mentally line these boxes of photographs up in a linear path with an arrow; Probably because the intrinsic motion of life does have a direction. I have never been able to comprehend the present, because there is always movement and change. I think at the level of the underlying energy of the universe, there would be no perception of movement, and that is the present. Even though we do not perceive at this level, yet reality is uniform at this level. Therefore, we are in the present --and the past and the future...they are just our way of storing photographs. Our attempt to understand whether time is merely a mental phenomenon, or whether there is truly a time line in objective reality--these concerns are contaminated by our inability to ever examine the issue, outside of our own consciousness. So we cannot know whether time perception is simply the way our minds must work in order to compare and separate the photographs of experience...or whether we truly are riding a tide . As I said, personally, I think it is a mental contruct made necessary by two things: One, we are not travelling at the speed of light; And two--the way our brains process and understand information. We have to remember, the only reality or world we have ever seen any evidence of existing, is the mental world of ideas. Every thing we have ever sensed is in the world of our minds and nowhere else. It would be interesting to discover that there was a universe outside of the realm of ideas or consciousness--but how in the world would you go about proving it?