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Strategies & Market Trends : Gorilla and King Portfolio Candidates -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: DownSouth who wrote (37194)12/30/2000 11:59:20 AM
From: diver913  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
Re. Poor performance of G&K stocks in 2000

DownSouth,

I just finished a similar analysis of our portfolio's performance this year, and I wanted to respond to your question: "Will the gorilla game, as I play it, be a winning game in the long run?"

I make no pretense that my response is unbiased! However, even with the paper losses we have this year (and they are extensive), I remain convinced that gorilla gaming is, OVER TIME, the best low risk/high reward investment choice. I reflect on the criteria we use to select candidates, and those requirements lead us to companies that currently enjoy, and will enjoy, strong competitive advantage for an extended period of time.

This knowledge solidifies my belief that the market will reward these companies, as Chapter 4 of TRFM says, with higher GAPs and longer CAPs. So, a long-term view reminds me (especially on the days that the market - and my stocks - take a nose dive) that these companies will fare better than most in the long run.

I am not seeking alternatives to the game, as I think the principles on which it's based are solid.

I liked Mike Buckley's recent post, in which he discussed the overall positive performance of the Nasdaq over the past 2 years, even taking into consideration the poor performance of the index during 2000. It helped me put the build-up and bursting of the bubble into perspective.

Early 2001 may still reflect some challenging times for our G&K stocks, but I believe they will recover nicely going forward because of the types of companies they are - they have significant advantages over the competition that will be recognized by the market.

I remain grateful to all contributors on this thread for leading me to explore and do DD on the companies that now reside in my portfolio - including you, DownSouth, for NTAP, one of my best performers this year!

Meredith



To: DownSouth who wrote (37194)12/30/2000 3:01:58 PM
From: 100cfm  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 54805
 
The real question for me is "will the gorilla game, as I play it, be a winning game in the long
run?"


I hear ya big time brother.
I think alot of people would say it was greed that got us, I say it was more over confidence and very strong belief in what were doing and thus we gave our Gorillas an air of invincibility. It didn't help either that everytime our companies would fall they came back and made news highs everytime until Q began it's oneway trip to the bottom.
After reading that article and Eric L's posts I have been thinking maybe Geoff was right when he didn't crown Q a Gorilla.

So now I sit here with Q the one stock I thought was more gorilla then the rest put together and the one stock I could count on for my financial well being. Those thoughts have been smashed this year and Q to me right now is no gorilla. Couple that with the decrowning of INTC as never being a gorilla, then I say who really is.

And so if Gorillas are not the true path for us then what is, and where do you/we put our money. I don't know. That is why I was up so early posting, was up wondering what to do in 2001, can't afford another yr like 2000. But I was having one of those nightmares where you run but no matter how hard you try you don't move. Well I was trying to move my money but had no where to go. Do we go back to Old economy stocks, do we go into bonds, cash? or a combination of all of the above, again I don't know. My feet and brain are churning but I'm still not making any progress.

So here we are again with a Q against the world situation.
With everyone who would be a major link in our value chain kicking sand in our faces. It is understandable from AWS but for Cingular to bash Q and basicaly call IJ an outright liar means the hatred for Q knows no bounds. Not sure if being hated deeply is part of the agorilla Genome.
Synder is partially right on this one it seems IJ is hawking a system(CDMA2000)that no one except three carriers in the whole world wants.
Nextel will be the next one to kick sand in our faces.
Even though I know they all end up at WCDMA at some point down the yellow brick road and Q gets paid from all. Maybe If go thru a field of poppies and wake up in 2007 as Eric suggests all will be wonderful again.

Jerry they say that every adversity has within it the seed of an equal or greater benefeit. It seems your seed has already sprouted, congratulations I'm happy for you.
My seed has not shown any signs of life yet.

100



To: DownSouth who wrote (37194)12/30/2000 3:16:22 PM
From: Jason W  Respond to of 54805
 
DS,

The real question for me is "will the gorilla game, as I play it, be a winning game in the long run?"

I think MANY people may be asking themselves the same question around now. My goodness, non GG'ers quite possibly more than us!

Not that my own analysis of 2000 or my reflections from being a Gorilla Game class of 2000 initiate were solicited, I never the less felt the urge to share my thoughts. In no particular order, they are:

The selection criteria that the GG outlines works in selecting outstanding companies to invest in. That said, VALUATION MATTERS. The great and growing companies we constantly discuss here may all be worthy. But, at certain times the market puts a premium on these companies that is TOO high for its current valuation. Looking at QCOM when it was in the 200 neighborhood is a prime example. Another key aspect of valuation that I constantly reflect upon was illustrated by Warren Buffet. Warren draws the example of investing $10,000 in MO at the high of the year versus the low. To quickly illustrate this point, he bought MO at $25 versus $20. The difference in the appreciation the 400 shares would return over a 10 year period versus the 500 shares you could've afforded by buying at $20 is quite significant.

The participants of this thread vary greatly in age, which is another major factor. The number of years an investor has to invest before needing to withdraw funds is quite important, just as having fresh funds to invest on a consistent basis is important. I for example, being 28, having recently bought a house, being a diligent saver, is looking at this Nasdaq correction with a bizarre sense of joy. My portfolio has been CREAMED this year. (See T, LU, and CMGI) However, I did sell some T and LU last December, as well as some other "stuff" to purchase a new home and make renovations. Thank goodness I was "forced" to sell some LU in the 70's.(It looks MUCH better as a new bathroom, all new windows and doors, etc, than as say, A new window, and A new door.<vbg>) The point of MY particular example is that each investor needs to look at where the market currently is, and seize the opportunity that is presented. Hindsight being wonderful, March would've been a good time to trim some. Now before someone jumps on me for discussing market timing <g>, the reverse is also true. My portfolio, MOST LIKELY, will never be this low again. I will continue to save, and now get more bang for market buck. So, actually, if the Nasdaq is going to have its worst year ever, why not be NOW when I have the least to lose, have non plans of withdrawing funds anyway, and am piling money into the market at my fastest clip ever?

OTHER THOUGHTS FROM A GRATEFUL GG FRESHMAN
* This board is terrific. I look forward to reading it every day.
* UF, Lindy, BB, Tekboy, DS, MB, and everyone else who posts, thank you for your time and energy. You all present information and perspectives that I would NEVER be able to reach on my own. (Some of the recent discussion on QCOM for example, is so far over my non-techy head, it is silly)

ONE SUGGESTION, and only one...
I'd really like to see some discussion, possibly on a weekly basis of current valuations of Gorillas and W&W stocks. Whether that be on a historical basis, or against some Foolish formula. Many people here, (me), invest regularly, and would like a better criteria for selecting the best "value" at the time. I currently own many of the stocks discussed here, and have a decision to face almost every week: Which one to buy this week? BB has made several/many arguments for and against SEBL at certain prices. Something along those lines, if the thread felt it was a valuable addition, may help the overall returns of an individuals portfolio over the long run. I am not a big fan of BLIND dollar cost averaging. Putting my money into the market consistently is my goal, not just adding shares of my favorite stock, ignoring its current price. Just my $0.02

I have had a wonderful year 2000. Business is good, I have 2 beautiful children, one just born, a terrific wife, and have found an investment strategy that I feel comfortable with for the Long haul.

Happy, healthy, and wealthy New Year to everyone,
Jason