To: average joe who wrote (546 ) 1/15/2001 4:49:13 AM From: GUSTAVE JAEGER Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908 Re: I think the real reason the demolibs cringe when they look at Rice or Powell is they shed their victim status and made something out of their lives. They can't be pigeon holed, manipulated but mostly coddled by people (like Clinton and Gore) to further their own political careers. [...] Everybody can succeed in a free country. Really? That last statement of yours is kind of an oxymoron... It's like saying that every player can win at the Florida SuperLottery --that doesn't mean that all the punters are gonna end up billionaires.... 'cause the lottery game is just not designed that way! Indeed, you overlook the fact that for any individual to "shed his/her victim status and make something out of his/her life" , an open environment is a prerequisite. You just can't "make something out of your life" AGAINST a hostile community. Success is actually a two-way street: a coopting process, somehow, must match an individual's will to succeed --and the higher you move up the social ladder the more relevant it becomes. Obviously, such coopting mechanics are usually blurred by the intertwining feedbacks between the individual's positive demeanour and his/her environs' receptiveness.... In the case of a "success story", both the individual's and society's interactions make it up to a virtuous circle, whereas in the case of a "dropout failure", growing antagonisms pile up in a vicious circle --to the ultimate detriment of the rebel.... For instance, in the case of General Colin L. Powell, it's obvious that the guy didn't become a four-star general overnight. He had first to graduate in a military academy, that is to say he first needed to be ALLOWED IN a US military DESPITE his Negro background. Now for Ms Condi Rice: she'd never be appointed Provost of one of the most prestigious universities (Stanford) if she were a high-school dropout --but even so, she actually took advantage of the university's Zeitgeist at the time of her graduation in Soviet studies: a coupla years earlier, Stanford's authorities would never have thought of a black woman to fill the post. See how a supposedly fair uphill struggle can turn into a nasty brick wall impossible to circumvent --even for the pushiest outsiders? Gus.