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To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 2:49:41 PM
From: Lucretius	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

they have failed, now we BURY them all....

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 2:55:18 PM
From: NOW	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

To my mind, the thing about the bubble, and our current era, that is most distressing, is just how "Orwellian" the world has become: nothing means anything or rather, everything means the opposite of what it should. I feel like freinds of mine described feeling during the cultural revolution in China...

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 2:58:39 PM
From: GraceZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Actually I know more low income people than high income. My employees for example.-g- I know a lot of people on fixed income. My 93 year old father in law and my 83 year old mother in law for instance. They live very simple lives, sort of like if you were to go back in time to what you had "stuffwise" in the seventies. They drive to Florida instead of fly, they stay at a less expensive motel that looks like it was built in the fifties. They live in the same house that he bought for 9k back in 1954 (new). They keep their cars for 11 years. They don't use credit cards. They have no debt. They don't eat health food but they don't eat dog food either. They have season's tickets to the ball games and to the theatre. They live on a third of what me and my husband do not because they have to.....but because they're always paying for this grandkids braces or that ones college. But then they have the usual assortment of wireless phones and VCRs and refridgerators with ice on the front. a PC with twice the clock speed makes you twice as productive? this is obvious nonsense. See my message to LLCF Message 15197427

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 3:07:47 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

>>according to BLS , you can buy a NEW car for $9,000. CAN YOU??? REALLY?<< Yes, you can buy a two door rice-burner for less than $9000. In the Sunday, January 14, 2001, I see a dealer's ad for a 2001 Hyundai Accent for $6994, and a 2001 Toyota Echo for $8995. I also see a 2001 Chevy Cavalier for $10,988. And this is just list - no one pays list.

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 4:17:41 PM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

>>the reality is quite different...every essential,shelter, energy, food, medical stuff (drugs, treatment, insurance) is rising sharply in price. Heinz, here in the Midwest, shelter prices are going up only 2-3% per year. Also, I'm not sure that I agree that food prices are "rising sharply" in price. Grocery store food prices, at least at the stores I frequent, have remained within a rather narrow price range for 9 or 10 years. However, restaurant food prices have undoubtedly risen quite markedly over the past decade, due in no small part to the tight labor market.

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (58713)	1/17/2001 8:06:29 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<the raging inflation in essential goods> The CRB (which is not compiled by the government) shows that basic raw material prices have actually increased less than the supposedly bogus government CPI figures. My experience is the same as Grace's. My cost of living has actually remained the same over the last few years, even though I consume a lot more of some stuff (mainly communications and information services). Kyros