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Politics : The Left Wing Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (3201)	1/17/2001 7:13:02 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 6089

Karen, the Wise and Reasonable One, That is really excellent advice. I have a friend who has three kids, and she went to the mat on EVERYthing, right up to the superintendent and the school board. And people stop hearing you when you are ALWAYS in their face. It's like- here comes that nut again. I'd say, does this really matter, and to her it always did, and she usually got ignored. So it's good not to start out too strong early on! I really like the letter idea, also. Nothing confrontational, merely presenting a polite alternate view. And also it starts a paper trail if the incidents grow more blatant. I love all those patriotic songs, and I think it goes back to small town parades and drums and a sort of comfort that I lived in the best country ever, something I still believe. So the feeling of patriotism got ingrained in me, but I don't think the words did it as much as the music. I still cry when I hear the Star Spangled Banner. Well, I did until they started always taking that stupid high note in the next-to-last line. I really hate that.

To: Lane3 who wrote (3201)	1/17/2001 7:13:20 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

I went to public school in Georgia (1967) for a year after spending all my elementary school time in Washington state. Washington state is fairly conservative, has good schools, has never been full of religious zealots and has never really had much in the way of race problems. Going to Joe-jah was quite an experience for this kid. In Washington, we had Christmas Pageants and I went to school with a mix of various white and Asian kids and a couple of other ethnicities. None of us ever thought too much about what we looked like or where we went to church, one way or another. Christmas was just the thing we wanted because we were about a week away from break and it was a change from the normal course of study. It was always our hope that it would start snowing. That was the pace. Anyway, when I went to Georgia and started school there, we had to say a prayer before we ate lunch in the cafeteria. It wasn't said it was optional (it wasn't) and I was shocked. We all had to sit there until a dead silence fell. Then, and ONLY then, we were only permitted to eat after we said the prayer. My first day I was not clued in , of course, so I got my plate sat down, started to chow down. Everyone around me looked at me in shocked horror and hissed "We haven't said our prayers yet!" I must have looked like a stunned trout. It became immediately apparent that the Damn Yankee (the only context in which people of proper breeding were allowed to say damn) had no mannahs. It was all white in that school, blacks were in servile positions, wouldn't make eye contact with whites they passed on the streets, and lived in shanties on the edge of town. They had their own schools. Prayer was forced upon the young 'uns and life was good then, huh? When I hear about prayers (or anything that smacks of prayer) anywhere near schools, this is my image. It isn't good.

To: Lane3 who wrote (3201)	1/17/2001 10:31:10 PM
From: YlangYlangBreeze	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

This is a big secret. please do not tell anybody, okay? I got ahold of one of those music relics, a 33 1/3 LP of monks chanting psalms, when i was a teenager. Loved it. Really moving. Also, and this is a secret too, I like that Easter song, He Lives! Christ Jesus lives today. I don't beleive it, but I am stirred by the words, the rising and falling of the voice that dares to reach for those high notes, perhaps the sentiment even. eeew war and religion, onward xtian soldiers, god on our side, mandated by god, shudder I don't think I'd go to the mat on this one me neither, but it still bugs me. It bugs me that there is not anywhere near equal exposure to other religions and belief systems, and that Christianity is effectively endorsed by the school, teachers, music.