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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (1771)	1/19/2001 6:33:26 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

Still here. When I was about 15, at a theatre (a cheap theater that I could afford), a man next to me tried to rest his hand on my thigh. I quickly realized what he was doing and moved. Other than that I saw a man semi-conscious once at a party who seemed to be unaware that he wasn't alone. I don't know whether that should be called exhibitionism, or the final stages of alcoholism...

To: epicure who wrote (1771)	1/19/2001 6:44:09 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Maybe it's the same guy..<gg> Seriously, if this kind of person spends most of his time cruising neighborhoods looking for kids out on the street, it wouldn't take that long before nearly the whole damn population of neighborhood kids gets "exposed" to these perverts.

To: epicure who wrote (1771)	1/19/2001 7:34:17 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I've been quietly following this discussion about the suitability of non-parents to shepherd kids. I'd just like to throw in a different perspective FWIW. My circle of friends includes a number of men and women who, like me, never had kids. Many of them do volunteer work with kids--coaching and tutoring mostly. Tutoring/mentoring underprivileged kids is common among people I know. I don't do it. The prospect of spending more than ten minutes with one kid, let alone a group of them, would leave me standing in a puddle. But they like being around kids. They miss their nieces and nephews who live out of town or think that kids keep you young or they just want to give something back. I never gave their volunteer work a second thought until I read all these posts. So I mentioned this discussion to a couple of them. While they appreciated the wariness, their reaction was surprise that their contribution would be dismissed out of hand. They made the point that they have the time and energy to deal with the kids and can take a load off the parents. I'm certain that there's nothing sinister about their interest. A few years ago a colleague asked me to consider being a chaperone with her for a trip to Australia. Her church group of young, black, Catholic teenagers had won some sort of prize. She well knew that I was white, an athiest, and not a parent. She asked me because she knew I was well traveled, a good sport, and able to afford the trip. I'm sure she also knew I wouldn't agree to go. But it could never have occurred to her that I was a risk to her kids. I know that the rejection of possible volunteers is not the point here. The kids definitely come first. I know, too, that I don't have the special perspective of a parent. It just seems to me a shame to throw the baby out with the bathwater, as someone on this thread has been saying lately. Like I said, FWIW. Karen

To: epicure who wrote (1771)	1/19/2001 7:35:21 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Respond to of 82486

Any men out there been bothered by women doing this sort of thing? When I was a teenager, I worked at a marina up at Lake Tahoe during the summers. There were a couple of women who would wear either skirts or loose shorts with no underwear where the guys (all teenagers) were guaranteed to get a pretty good eyeful when they got into the water taxi and sat across from us. There postures were very deliberate. A key word though would be "bothered". I assure you that not one of us was bothered by this behavior, we would all run down the dock when they arrived so that we could drive the water taxi. This also might be an area where some of the discrepancy in comparative numbers are concerned. I wonder how many people would put the situation of a 30 year old woman flashes a teenage boy in the same category as a 30 year old man doing the same to a teenage girl. Back then, I didn't have any problem with it, but now that I have a son, I would most certainly have a problem with it.