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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/27/2001 12:59:07 AM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 82486
 
If someone hadn't reported my "obscenities" thereby upsetting the apple cart, we wouldn't be forced to negotiate.
I thought this started when Poet tried to turn in the entire RWE membership to Admin Bob. Not so?

There now, we are working together, and it doesn't hurt much more than a spinal tap.
Is THAT what that pain in my butt is? :-)

While we're busy alienating our buddies, I might as well ante up here that I own a handgun, and am biased in favor of the death penalty.
You're dead meat in LWP. If you agree to re-education camp, JLA might let you join RWE.

I suspect, for example, that there may well be some Pro-Choicers in your camp
Here's one. E's my witness. If I get kicked out of RWE, I'll have to go re-education camp.

I know it looks like a gun but it's really just a few more ideas up my sleeve.
You're SURE that's not the whole deck?



To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/27/2001 1:20:45 AM
From: hobo  Respond to of 82486
 
Looking forward to a more grownup debate

The new look between ...

the beauties of the LW and the beasts from the RW:

interestingideas.com

i am impressed ! keep the good work

(*) i do not belong to either camp. merely an observer from outer space.



To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/27/2001 12:23:01 PM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
<<I ...am biased in favor of the death penalty. >>

I'm curious to know how intelligent, decent liberals, or left wingers in general, articulate their attitude toward the "lottery" aspects of its application, in which better odds by enormous multiples are given certain classes of people than to others?

Would you advocate a moratorium until the penalty can be applied impartially? -- That is, to rich as well as poor, females as well as males, killers of blacks as well as of whites, the educated as well as the unlettered?

Or in your opinion does the importance of the benefits our society derives from executions outweigh the importance of the systemic unfairness in the process of choosing who dies?

Which benefits do you most value?



To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/27/2001 12:25:01 PM
From: E  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
I didn't mean that to sound sarcastic, that last question.

I know it comes out that way, but.... I can't help it! It's a legit question!

(I haven't, btw, raised the moral issues raised by the acceptance of the risk of executing innocents, or those raised by the execution of the mentally retarded and mentally ill, but you might, if you want....)

I know what RWers say on these issues, or have said on SI forums. But I am not sure how they are addressed by those who consider themselves on the left, and want to.... really!



To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/27/2001 1:15:29 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (7) | Respond to of 82486
 
Also a couple people have posted a list of their positions on a list of issues, and some of those were rather surprising. Those poster deserve extra credibility. We may have more in common than we think. It could actually be fun.

I thought this was interesting when it started but the thread went off in some other direction before I posted. So here goes.

Abortion: In general, the government should use as light a hand as possible. It definitely doesn't belong in this most personal and complicated of matters. The practice of abortion can be expected to naturally subside over time through technology, availability of birth control, greater rights for women around the world, and the consciousness raising of those wo are cavalier about abortions. I'm pro-choice.

Gun control: I wouldn't control guns, with the possible exception of criminals, but rather register them. We register cars and hair dressers and dogs, which are not as dangerous as guns. Registration would assist in crime fighting and increase the accountability of gun owners. The argument that people need to own guns anonymously to protect the citizenry from a government run amok, in the day and age of nuclear missiles, is easily dismissed.

Affirimitive action/anti-discrimination: Affirmative action was a necessary approach in its time but the current marginal value of continuing it is outweighed by its inherent unfairness. It should be phased out. Discrimination in public fora is unacceptable.

Sexual Harassment: Sexual harassment is unacceptable behavior and employees need to be protected from it by employers. Likewise from the threat of a formal sexual harassment charge.

Drug enforcement: Drug abusers who are not (otherwise) criminals should not be treated as criminals but as addicts. More drugs should be legalized and controlled. The war on drugs has been lost. We need to move on.

Environmental regulation: More money and effort needs to go into the science behind environmental regulation. The technology moves so quickly and often the science is not of sufficient quality stature to give us definitive direction. Meanwhile we should err on the side of caution about the environment rather than risk screwing it up big time. Environmental regulations should have mandatory review to assure that they still make sense. I have no clue why I need an emissions test on my '97 Acura RL, which just turned 10K miles. Seems wasteful and needlessly annoying to me.

Defense: The Defense Department should be a more family-friendly employer. The fancy toys need to work. The proposed anti-missile defense is not ready for prime time so it's not worth the risk of losing international political capital.

Foreign Policy: The US needs to play nicely in the increasing globalized world by respecting the sovereignty and culture of other countries and reducing barriers to trade. We have a bully pulpit so we should use it when needed but we're not a global police force.

Immigration: Policy should reduce the number of relatives admitted in favor of value-added immigrants according to the US interest. There always needs to be room for some refugees but we aren't the lifeboat to the world.

That's it in a nutshell.

Karen



To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (3575)1/29/2001 9:04:26 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
I have no one on ignore. That's silliness as far as I'm concerned.

As far as the rest of your post, most of my compadres seem OK with my suggested rules. I hope we can avoid wholesale deletion. JLA