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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (4779)	2/4/2001 2:34:33 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

ROFL you are assuming because people in the inner city are poor they all lack self-discipine, self-sacrifice, and the ability to wait for things. Let me tell you, there are generations in the inner cities who have been waiting social justice, and it is not here yet. The amazing thing to me is the patience (for the most part) of the people in our ghettos. I would not be patient if my child was in a school with holes in the roof, faulty heating, no air conditioning, no text books, no materials. No, I would not be patient at all. Self-discipline? Many of those children are raising themselves. Their parents may be incompetent or they may be working at extremely low paying jobs, which make them unavailable to their children and unable to hire childcare- many of the children in our inner cities get themselves to school on their own- and they go, day after day, to dilapidated buildings that you and I would never send our children to. I think those children have a great deal of self discipline just to get out of bed in the morning, considering what they have to look forward to. Self-scarifice? Do you have this? You have no children- what, exactly, are you sacrificing for anyone else? I sacrificed a career to stay home with my children- but I had a husband who made a good living. How much of a self sacrifice was that? I didn't have to choose between a job, and supervising my children- other people do make that choice. If you do not believe that people in our inner cities deserve our help because they are human beings, because they are joint members of our society, and because if we do not help them they will cost more in emotional and financial terms than it would have cost to help them in the first place, then I cannot say anything more to you. That is the explanation- you either understand it or you don't.

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (4779)	2/4/2001 2:43:46 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Bland has developed considerable expertise at spending money, but no matter how adroitly he spends it, he cannot buy self-discipline and self-sacrifice and the concept of delayed gratification for those who need it. I was watching some talking heads this morning on the subject of the Middle East. They were saying that there are problems in the world and there are messes. Problems can be fixed. Messes you just try to contain. Since the failure of the last peace effort, everyone has concluded that the Middle East is an incorrigible mess. I think that what you and X are talking about also falls into that latter category. Karen