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Strategies & Market Trends : Trade What You See, Not What You Think -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Threei who wrote (392)	2/4/2001 8:27:52 PM
From: Dominick	Respond to of 867

For the sole purpose of adding complexity to our challenges, I would like to add in the following subject matter of "Neuro-linguist programming" Ah! yes! my fellow colleages. There are 3 modes of learning: Visual, Auditory and Kinesthetic,(feelings). You may have a mixture of them all but one of them is dominant. If one is KINESTHETIC, he will watch the tape and FEEL when the time is right. There is no way one could teach FEELINGS to an AUDITORY or VISUAL person. Watching the various momentum movements of the tape and charts, (graphs), are VISUAL componets. Therefore they can SEE when the time is right. Therefore he will encounter great difficulty teaching to AUDITORY and KINESTHETIC dominants on what to SEE. AUDITORY will read numbers and words and LISTEN to their internal and/or external talk. That ought to be fun trying to teach people who see and feel how to listen. One must discover their own dominant learning mode and find those methods and people that are in sync with it. (ggggggg)

To: Threei who wrote (392)	2/5/2001 8:09:17 PM
From: Moving Sphere	Respond to of 867

Threei, >>"You find yourself in a state where you react on their movements with no thinking and analyzing. Eyes see, body reacts."<< This exercise is easy to do because there are no "punishment" for mistake. Without punishment, the mind is free of regular ego and the exercise becomes fun. Thus, eyes see and body reacts. Now, imagine all the balloons are wrapped around by naked electrical wires that intermittently generated a painful electrical shock when touched. All of a sudden, your regular ego come into play. Here are some of the example of internal dialogues... "OUCH!!!! Are you Nut or what!" "Not yet! Not yet! OK... YOWEEEEE! What's the matter with you! Didn't I say NOT YET!" "Hey, this is NOT FUN! I'm getting painful shocks" "Why did I let Threei talked me into playing this 'deleted' game? OUCHEEE again!" "Where is my intuition??? Ouch.... I thought I'm goin...Ouchee... to get my.... Yoweee... intuition any...Ouch..moment...." "Hey, you 'deleted', why are you so clumsy!" LOL! Pretty tough to get intuition if our mind is dominated by our regular ego reacting and responding to all the punishment that come our way. Unfortunately, in trading, losses are part of the business and cannot be avoided. If our regular ego is allowed to dominate, then these losses will generate plenty of internal dialogues that pretty much shut out any intuition that may come our way. >>"When you stabilize situation and keep them under control, you are in the zone."<< The key words here are "When you stabilize situation". If we can train our disciplined ego, our internal dialogue may be more friendly and calm; thus allowing our intuition to be heard. It still comes down to our ability to redirect our negative energy away before any situation can be under control. >>"Try to remember this feeling of "no thoughts, just flow".<< When your disciplined ego has achieved a high level, the feeling of "no thoughts, just flow" will be a piece of cake. >>"This is very close to what trader experiences when he is in the zone."<< Interesting thing about the "zone" experience is that it comes and goes. I would be trading in the "zone" and then before I knew what happened to me, I traded out of the "zone". And if I didn't stop myself quickly, it was quite easy to give back everything I made while I was in the "zone". Thanks for the add'l point on the intuition. My opinion is that intuition is a byproduct of the dominated disciplined ego. Until then, IMHO, training our disciplined ego is our number one priority in this trading endeavor. Cheers!

To: Threei who wrote (392)	2/11/2001 4:37:41 AM
From: aldrums	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 867

Hi Threei, I would like to give you all my definition of intuition as it relates to trading. I think it has much to do with the incredible capability that all humans have to learn (if they apply themselves), and just plain experience in watching the market. Of course, you do need to be psychologically stable to trade intuitively. You cannot be in a war of the egos, which has been so well explained and defined in the previous posts. So assuming you are in a positive-forward-looking state of mind, how does intuition come into play? I would simply say that intuition is the subconscious recognition and interpretation of events that have happened before. Part of the learning process is that your mind subconsciously stores patterns in the market (when you are paying attention) and patterns in yourself simultaneously. Your subconscious recognizes these same patterns when they happen again, and also recognizes the positive or negative effect of these patterns. Eventually the subconscious will develop an expectation that certain patterns are followed by other patterns. After the recurrence of patterns again and again the subconscious expectation may become a "feeling". If it is strong enough this subconscious expectation may even become conscious. We may feel that a particular pattern or event may occur, because subconsciously we recognize this event has happened before. Depending on the strength of this feeling we might even buy or sell the stock before we can think about it. I think because these feelings originate in the subconscious may be why intuition is difficult to explain. It may be difficult to explain while you felt that you should buy or sell at a certain time, and it may not be apparent when even looking at a chart. Let me say that I think that these "patterns" that the subconscious recognizes are incredibly complex, these aren't the same type of patterns you could ever recognize consciously. I think these patterns take into account everything that is on your screen, your mood, the time of day, how much sleep you had last night, etc., literally every sensory input there is. The subconscious functions differently than the conscious mind, and obeys a different set of laws. It is the same with the unconscious. For example, dreams cannot be explained completely in the conscious world, but in the unconscious world (sleep) they make perfect sense. I hope my point is clear. It is late now...I would welcome any thoughts on this. Regards, Alex