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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (5252)	2/9/2001 11:28:26 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Solon, we're talking in circles. I can keep that up as long as you like, but I don't see that we're increasing anyone's understanding by doing it. I don't say your post implied immoral notions on your part--only that they implied the "rights" to immoral notions from anyone. I don't acknowledge anyone's right or RIGHT to notions, immoral or otherwise. That just doesn't make any sense to me. If there's a generally accepted right, acting in accordance with it is moral and against it is immoral. This seems to me like acknowledgement of the difference between contractual "rights" and political "rights". If you want to make a distinction between rights and RIGHTS, I can adapt to that terminology. I guess I can infer your distinction between contractual and political rights, as well. My "yup," however, was a simple agreement that politics can take away my rights. Yup, that's the way the world we live in operates. I really like science fiction--the kind of sci fi that deals with other places, other times, other social constructs. The problem with that type of sci fi novel is that it often creates a whole new vocabulary that you have to learn to understand the book. I don't even try to read them even though there might be something worthwhile in there somewhere because I just lack the patience. You're creating a whole new taxonomy around your philosophy but using words that have a different meaning to me in mine and I'm having trouble wading through that, too. We just don't seem to have a common language. You have the RIGHT to exist because you DO. PERIOD. I think that we get our rights through a social contract that manifests itself in our governments' guarantee of them as well as the forbearance of our neighbors. You think that there's some inherent, universal, organic, cosmic, or whatever set of rights/RIGHTS that supercedes the joint deliberations over time of mere mortals. You say that is self-evident. All I'm saying is that it ain't self-evident to me. I can buy into "we have the right to exist because we do" but only, like inertia, until someone else squashes that right like a bug. We can wail all we want that we have the right to continue to exist, but our wails will be silenced by the big "squish." If our wail can be so easily extinguished, it ain't much of a right. Karen